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Please help.. 17-55 /w XTi, underexposed?

 
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Sep 15, 2007 07:19 |  #1

Just tried 17-55 f/2.8IS, snapshot of my light switch at my dark room.
Tried to compare it with Sigma 30mm at the same f/2.8.. but found out the 17-55 underexposing about 1 stop.

Here are the full picture, Both of them shot using Manual mode, at f/2.8, 1/60, sigma at 30mm, canon at 31mm (according to exif), ISO1600.

Shot at manual, auto WB (did several shots, the result was the same), one shot, center focus. The vignette is more result of insufficient lighting of my room.
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First, Canon 17-55 f/2.8

IMAGE: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/athedjo1/canon.jpg

And Sigma 30mm
IMAGE: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/athedjo1/sigma.jpg

Anybody have any idea if this is normal with EF-S lens or there is something wrong?
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Sep 15, 2007 07:41 |  #2

Do either of them have a filter on? If so, try without it.



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Sep 15, 2007 07:56 as a reply to  @ mcmadkat's post |  #3

both of them have UV filter on. I'll post pictures without filter soon.


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Sep 15, 2007 08:05 as a reply to  @ mcmadkat's post |  #4

okay, here are both without filters. The same exposure,
1/60, f/2.8, ISO1600, sigma is at 30mm, canon at 31mm

First, Canon

IMAGE: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/athedjo1/canon_2.jpg

and then sigma
IMAGE: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/athedjo1/sigma_2.jpg

Canon 17-55 still underexpose, or 30mm overexpose(?). (btw i think my 30mm front focus.. i aimed at the 'e' of the 'cue')

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Sep 15, 2007 13:04 |  #5

probably mostly due to the overall contrast of the lens and light fall off... you can see the 17-55 has alot of vignetting.


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Sep 15, 2007 13:44 as a reply to  @ asylumxl's post |  #6

If you look at some of the tests that Lightrules has done involving the 30 1.4, you'll notice that it seems to expose brighter than several Canon lenses.

http://www.pbase.com/l​ightrules/lenstests (external link)


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Sep 15, 2007 15:29 |  #7

seems to underexpose, maybe by a 1/3 stop or so to my eyes.


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Sep 15, 2007 18:04 as a reply to  @ Tee Why's post |  #8

Thanks for the help guys!

Bacchanal,
I saw the Lightrules test and it had the same phenomenon.

I guess it is just how it renders the light maybe? with the same exposure, one lens is brighter than another. I wonder if non EF-S lens will give out a brighter image than EF-S lenses.


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Sep 15, 2007 18:17 |  #9

I would presume that as the 30mm has less glass in it, then less light is actually lost overall.



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Sep 15, 2007 18:25 as a reply to  @ mcmadkat's post |  #10

mcmadkat, I think that is really possible. As the Lightrules test on
http://www.pbase.com/l​ightrules/image/604365​62 (external link)

it also looks darker than the 17-85 IS and 18-50EX.

It is interesting at the same exposure, two lens can have different brightness.. or in a way, 2 different exposures. Maybe it's good because the 17-55 IS will take care of the highlights better (maybe?) and keeping the detail.


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Sep 15, 2007 18:37 |  #11

Interesting....I'm curious if you use you're cameras built in meter to meter the exact setup, will it give you different exposures?




  
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Sep 15, 2007 19:04 |  #12

thedjo wrote in post #3934801 (external link)
okay, here are both without filters. The same exposure,
1/60, f/2.8, ISO1600, sigma is at 30mm, canon at 31mm

First, Canon


and then sigma


Canon 17-55 still underexpose, or 30mm overexpose(?). (btw i think my 30mm front focus.. i aimed at the 'e' of the 'cue')

I think that the 17-55 pic is far better, on my monitor at least.

Take note on the USB plug - in the 17-55 shot you can see the detail on this plug, but nothing on the 30.

And yes, the focus does seem out on the 30.


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Sep 15, 2007 19:43 as a reply to  @ Ron1004's post |  #13

I don't question it's sharpness. it's excellent!

I shot them with Manual mode, at EV0, which one do you find has the correct exposure?
maybe there is none.. but I am more used to what 30mm give because I had it longer than 17-55.


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