My very non-technical report after playing with a 40D

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #3958240
What's interesting to me is you consider the 40D a minor upgrade over the 30D but think it's a worthwhile upgrade for 20D owners. Why is that? The 30D and 20D might as well be the same camera there's so little difference between them.

i was thinking/wondering the exact same thing.

narlus wrote in post #3963716
i was thinking/wondering the exact same thing.

after owning both cameras i much prefer the 30d for the larger LCD and adjustable iso. i also hate the 100 pic files of the 20d.

the biggest benefit of the 30d is it mirrors my 5d and when you're old and easily confused that's a big thing .

also the 30d appears to track better than the 20d but maybe i got better because i'm not sure AF was improved .

ed rader

I think that 20D owners will appreciate the upgrade to 40D more than 30D owners. They are coming from a small LCD display to a 3" one and they skipped a generation. For them I see it as a more substantial upgrade. Again, I'm not splitting hairs and analyzing this feature for feature. I just know that many 20D owners that chose not to upgrade when a 30D came out will be more likely to move to a 40D and see it as an upgrade based on the better specs and some of the nice features that everyone here has been pointing out. Those features are not in the 20D or 30D so a 20D owner will see and feel more of the change.

Everyone has a different philosophy about this whole mess and in my opinion too many people are spending too much time trying to get others to think as they do instead of just kicking back and letting everyone make choices for whatever the reason, whether you agree with it or not.

Why is everything that is said scrutinized so intensely? If I had posted a comprehensive review instead of my "I just played with a 40D and here is how I feel" I would still have people all over me telling me my assessment was wrong or that I am too enthusiastic over the 40D. I see this behavior everywhere, all the time. In a sense you can't win if you love the camera and you can't win if you hate it.

I know this to be true..I've read all the threads. Why don't we just relax and accept that my needs are not your needs and what is a cool toy to you may not be a cool toy for me, regardless if whether you think I am dead wrong.

Aside from really wanting a large LCD, if I had a 20D, I wouldn't waste the money upgrading to a 40D... I'd put it towards some nice L glass...

TMR Design wrote in post #3963891
I think that 20D owners will appreciate the upgrade to 40D more than 30D owners. They are coming from a small LCD display to a 3" one and they skipped a generation. For them I see it as a more substantial upgrade. Again, I'm not splitting hairs and analyzing this feature for feature. I just know that many 20D owners that chose not to upgrade when a 30D came out will be more likely to move to a 40D and see it as an upgrade based on the better specs and some of the nice features that everyone here has been pointing out. Those features are not in the 20D or 30D so a 20D owner will see and feel more of the change.

Everyone has a different philosophy about this whole mess and in my opinion too many people are spending too much time trying to get others to think as they do instead of just kicking back and letting everyone make choices for whatever the reason, whether you agree with it or not.

Why is everything that is said scrutinized so intensely? If I had posted a comprehensive review instead of my "I just played with a 40D and here is how I feel" I would still have people all over me telling me my assessment was wrong or that I am too enthusiastic over the 40D. I see this behavior everywhere, all the time. In a sense you can't win if you love the camera and you can't win if you hate it.

I know this to be true..I've read all the threads. Why don't we just relax and accept that my needs are not your needs and what is a cool toy to you may not be a cool toy for me, regardless if whether you think I am dead wrong.

Well said

How can anyone say your views on this are not correct, or wrong! its YOUR view! maybe its the same old story that nobody likes to hear somebody else not praising their baby which they think is the best thing since sliced bread

I have no desire to upgrade as my setup is working well for me, but if I did want another 1.6x body I think I would like to wait to see what the next revision will bring, I hate incremental upgrades, it seems you just pay a load of money for what it sometimes minor improvements, I like to wait until I see a much larger gain for my money spent.

TMR Design wrote in post #3963891
I think that 20D owners will appreciate the upgrade to 40D more than 30D owners. They are coming from a small LCD display to a 3" one and they skipped a generation. For them I see it as a more substantial upgrade. Again, I'm not splitting hairs and analyzing this feature for feature. I just know that many 20D owners that chose not to upgrade when a 30D came out will be more likely to move to a 40D and see it as an upgrade based on the better specs and some of the nice features that everyone here has been pointing out. Those features are not in the 20D or 30D so a 20D owner will see and feel more of the change.

If the 3" LCD and a skipped generation are why the 40D seems to you like a more substantial upgrade to a 20D than it is to a 30D, then no wonder you're not hankering for an upgrade. To you with your 30D, the 40D only adds 0.5" and one generation

I'm not trying to convince you one way or another. You say the 40D isn't a big enough upgrade over the 30D for your wants. Great! That's your right, and nothing wrong with that, and don't let anybody give you lip about your choice. But it's my right to disagree with your assessment of the relative merits of the 20D, 30D, and 40D. If the 40D is a worthy upgrade to the 20D, then it is to the 30D as well (in general; of course this doesn't apply to everybody, as you've demonstrated) or is at the very least very close to being a worthy upgrade. How many generations have elapsed has nothing to do with it. Elapsed time between cameras in my mind is a very odd measurement for worthiness of an upgrade, but to each his own. To me the feature upgrades are much more important than time elapsed, and in the feature area the 40D is almost as much of an upgrade over the 30D as it is over the 20D. Certainly the 40D to 30D gap is much, much bigger than the 30D to 20D gap. If it's a worthy upgrade over the 20D, then at worst it's almost a worthy upgrade to the 30D, certainly not "minor". And consequently, if it's a minor upgrade to the 30D then it is also a minor upgrade to the 20D. That's just how I see it.

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #3964497
If the 3" LCD and a skipped generation are why the 40D seems to you like a more substantial upgrade to a 20D than it is to a 30D, then no wonder you're not hankering for an upgrade. To you with your 30D, the 40D only adds 0.5" and one generation

I'm not trying to convince you one way or another. You say the 40D isn't a big enough upgrade over the 30D for your wants. Great! That's your right, and nothing wrong with that, and don't let anybody give you lip about your choice. But it's my right to disagree with your assessment of the relative merits of the 20D, 30D, and 40D. If the 40D is a worthy upgrade to the 20D, then it is to the 30D as well (in general; of course this doesn't apply to everybody, as you've demonstrated) or is at the very least very close to being a worthy upgrade. How many generations have elapsed has nothing to do with it. Elapsed time between cameras in my mind is a very odd measurement for worthiness of an upgrade, but to each his own. To me the feature upgrades are much more important than time elapsed, and in the feature area the 40D is almost as much of an upgrade over the 30D as it is over the 20D. Certainly the 40D to 30D gap is much, much bigger than the 30D to 20D gap. If it's a worthy upgrade over the 20D, then at worst it's almost a worthy upgrade to the 30D, certainly not "minor". And consequently, if it's a minor upgrade to the 30D then it is also a minor upgrade to the 20D. That's just how I see it.

It is true though that the more time gone by, the more benefits you will have by upgrading, I went from a 350D to a 5D, im sure the improvements from a 400D to 5D would have been not so great.

If somebody things the 40D has a feature that is worth upgrading for then thats fine, some also just upgrade for upgrading sake, well thats also fine if you have the cash, some think the 40D is the god of all cameras, some think its nothing more than a 30D with a few more bells & whistles, also fine

Yohan Pamudji,

Again, you want to pick my words apart. I'm not going to keep replying to this nonsense. I see all the differences and features but I mention 2 and you have more to say to me, trying to prove your point. Well, excuse my generalizations but you keep pounding away and pounding away. For crying out loud, I made a simple post stating some of my feelings and now I'm justifying and explaining every damm word.

Do any of you see why some people don't even want to post because of this crap? You don't know me or my level of expertise or appreciation for gear and features so you find the key words that get your panties in a bunch and go berserk.

Convince each other of whatever you like. I am through justifying my every word.

I feel like I am in a room with a bunch if whining babies that so desperately want attention.

Have a nice day all. Buy Canon. Buy Nikon. Upgrade, Downgrade. I don't give a crap anymore. The thread is yours to do as you please.

Are we happy now?

TMR Design wrote in post #3964536
Yohan Pamudji,

Again, you want to pick my words apart. I'm not going to keep replying to this nonsense. I see all the differences and features but I mention 2 and you have more to say to me, trying to prove your point. Well, excuse my generalizations but you keep pounding away and pounding away. For crying out loud, I made a simple post stating some of my feelings and now I'm justifying and explaining every damm word.

Do any of you see why some people don't even want to post because of this crap? You don't know me or my level of expertise or appreciation for gear and features so you find the key words that get your panties in a bunch and go berserk.

Convince each other of whatever you like. I am through justifying my every word.

I feel like I am in a room with a bunch if whining babies that so desperately want attention.

Have a nice day all. Buy Canon. Buy Nikon. Upgrade, Downgrade. I don't give a crap anymore. The thread is yours to do as you please.

Are we happy now?

Im afraid this is happening quite a lot on here lately, you cant post something without a lot of constant quoting of your OP with comments trying to imply your wrong or you either lack skill, ive seen them all & experienced them first hand, just shug it off, they dont know what your skills are, its daft.

Nick_C wrote in post #3964523
It is true though that the more time gone by, the more benefits you will have by upgrading, I went from a 350D to a 5D, im sure the improvements from a 400D to 5D would have been not so great.

If somebody things the 40D has a feature that is worth upgrading for then thats fine, some also just upgrade for upgrading sake, well thats also fine if you have the cash, some think the 40D is the god of all cameras, some think its nothing more than a 30D with a few more bells & whistles, also fine

but there has to be point in where there is a right and wrong

"If somebody things the 40D has a feature that is worth upgrading for then thats fine" I agree

"some also just upgrade for upgrading sake, well thats also fine if you have the cash" up to them I guess

"some think the 40D is the god of all cameras" cannot say I have seen this printed, maybe I missed something, and anyone who thinks this is not worth holding a conversation with are they

"some think its nothing more than a 30D with a few more bells & whistles" well this is the debatable one, I think that there is quite a difference between the 2 cameras overall, not detracting the 30D, but 40D does have a fair bit more on it, if it suits one person or not is pretty irrelevant, you have to look at the 40D cameras as an overall package for what the 40D cost now, all ready discounted at near 20% and still people are demanding over £500-00 for a new 30D the 40D is a somewhat worthy upgrade. So I cannot understand how anyone can just call the 40D over a 30D and defiantly a 20D a bells and whistle upgrade just because they don't need or use the upgraded features of a 40D.

MaDProFF wrote in post #3964599
but there has to be point in where there is a right and wrong

"If somebody things the 40D has a feature that is worth upgrading for then thats fine" I agree

"some also just upgrade for upgrading sake, well thats also fine if you have the cash" up to them I guess

"some think the 40D is the god of all cameras" cannot say I have seen this printed, maybe I missed something, and anyone who thinks this is not worth holding a conversation with are they

"some think its nothing more than a 30D with a few more bells & whistles" well this is the debatable one, I think that there is quite a difference between the 2 cameras overall, not detracting the 30D, but 40D does have a fair bit more on it, if it suits one person or not is pretty irrelevant, you have to look at the 40D cameras as an overall package for what the 40D cost now, all ready discounted at near 20% and still people are demanding over £500-00 for a new 30D the 40D is a somewhat worthy upgrade. So I cannot understand how anyone can just call the 40D over a 30D and defiantly a 20D a bells and whistle upgrade just because they don't need or use the upgraded features of a 40D.

I think this post is exactly what he was saying is annoying

i thought Yohan's points were spot-on, and in no way inflammatory.

if you don't like debates, fine. it's a fact of life that internet boards that opinions will likely spark discourse and different points of view. i think these have been very civil, on the whole.

Yep, start one on filters & sparks suddenly turn into fireworks

farrukh wrote in post #3962138
No its acutally not... read this

To OP: good optimistic report Robert

"Objective" you mean?

Lord_Malone wrote in post #3964802
"Objective" you mean?

Actually "subjective" is the right word