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My 40D is Two Weeks Old and I'm a Little Disappointed

 
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Sep 27, 2007 12:12 as a reply to  @ post 4019093 |  #31

M24, I believe you are correct in your assumption about the lubricant blobs. My new 30D had stuff that was obviously not dust on the sensor after only a few shots w/some burst shots. The stuff could not be blown or brushed off and it smeared as you stated on the first few swabbings. They were also in odd shapes that did not look like dust.

My 400D's sensor was also a mess the first time I checked it but I had quite a few shots on it by then. The stuff on it acted and looked the same way as the blobs on the 30D. The 400D doesn't seem to be as bad about getting dirty as time goes by. Hopefully my 30D and your 40D will be similar.


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Sep 27, 2007 12:14 |  #32

I think it is marketing, yes, and a little hype, but as already said, it is better than nothing at all, It discharges the sensor and vibrates it to loosen dust. Those of us who has experienced swabbing the dust, know it takes a few swipes with physical contact on the low pass before it gets cleaned, so what can vibration do? It will shake, rattle and roll out the loose, small dust bunnies, but anything else, like "welded dust", you will need to wet clean. It really is that simple. There is no miracle cure or substitute. It is an inherit flaw of DSLR's. I was hoping that since the 40D was dust and weather resistant, it would also minimize dust issues, I guess not.


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Sep 27, 2007 12:21 |  #33

Well all I can say, my 30D did get real nasty, but moved most by blower never wet cleaned or what ever u guys call it,

40D is the cleanest sensor i ever seen for me, after 6k shoots and loads lens swapping, and doing a moto x shoot, so for me the sensor cleaning is working pretty well


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Sep 27, 2007 12:24 |  #34

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Well all I can say, my 30D did get real nasty, but moved most by blower never wet cleaned or what ever u guys call it,

40D is the cleanest sensor i ever seen for me, after 6k shoots and loads lens swapping, and doing a moto x shoot, so for me the sensor cleaning is working pretty well

Never wet cleaned? WOW, you either been very lucky, live and shoot in a bubble, or never shoot smaller than f/8.


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Sep 27, 2007 12:26 |  #35

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Never wet cleaned? WOW, you either been very lucky, live and shoot in a bubble, or never shoot smaller than f/8.

I was thinking the same thing.


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Sep 27, 2007 12:27 |  #36

Well I remove in PP if it is something I see, not saying there was never nothing there, though 40D is spotless bar one wormy thing, I showed in an earlier post
true though i don't often shoot over F8


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Clean the sensor and once you clean it well, put a lens on you know you will enjoy and don't remove it unless absolutely necessary.


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Sep 27, 2007 12:29 |  #38

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Clean the sensor and once you clean it well, put a lens on you know you will enjoy and don't remove it unless absolutely necessary.


Or buy a Powershot IS point and shoot...you will never have to clean a sensor ever!!!:lol::lol::lol:


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Clean the sensor and once you clean it well, put a lens on you know you will enjoy and don't remove it unless absolutely necessary.

Sorry but thats a little impractical for most of us IMO. I have 3 bodies and can't manage it.


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Sep 27, 2007 12:34 |  #40

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Sorry but thats a little impractical for most of us IMO. I have 3 bodies and can't manage it.


My response to his post was obviously out of fun, but I seriously agree with you. Why buy a DSLR with interchangeable lens capabilities and never change the lens? The beauty of our camera systems lie on the fact we can change the lens to suit a particular situation. Unfortunately, we can not be as carefree as the Film SLR with Interchangeable lenses, but coming from someone who gets pretty OC about this issue, just face it, it is a fact of our lives and companies are profiting from it. We will have to clean either the sensor or the picture in PP. No way around it. Don't like rules? Play a different game. Forementioned, Point and Shoot.;):p


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Sep 27, 2007 12:39 |  #41

I thought this article about dust cleaning systems was interesting: http://pixinfo.com/en/​articles/ccd-dust-removal/ (external link)

They found the Olympus system good, the Canon system poor, and the Sony and Pentax systems useless.


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Sep 27, 2007 12:59 as a reply to  @ qwalls's post |  #42

Well all I can say, my 30D did get real nasty, but moved most by blower never wet cleaned or what ever u guys call it,

40D is the cleanest sensor i ever seen for me, after 6k shoots and loads lens swapping, and doing a moto x shoot, so for me the sensor cleaning is working pretty well

I guess I'm missing something too. I've never wet-cleaned my sensor. I've used my 10d since it came out. Yes, there is a little dust on the sensor, but easy enough for me to remove in photoshop. Not to long after buying the 10d, I got nervous about dust and started to notice some dust spots, but I blew them off and haven't really worried too much about it since. I'm always afraid that I'll wind up with a smeared or ruined sensor.


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Sep 27, 2007 13:00 |  #43

00silvergt wrote in post #4019214 (external link)
I think it is marketing, yes, and a little hype, but as already said, it is better than nothing at all, It discharges the sensor and vibrates it to loosen dust. Those of us who has experienced swabbing the dust, know it takes a few swipes with physical contact on the low pass before it gets cleaned, so what can vibration do? It will shake, rattle and roll out the loose, small dust bunnies, but anything else, like "welded dust", you will need to wet clean. It really is that simple. There is no miracle cure or substitute. It is an inherit flaw of DSLR's. I was hoping that since the 40D was dust and weather resistant, it would also minimize dust issues, I guess not.

A Rocket blower probably works better. Also, where does the dust go after it is shaken loose? It's still in there, ready to adhere to the sensor again, isn't it?




  
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Sep 27, 2007 13:08 |  #44

hmmm...5% well, it is better than 0%. Considering that the 40D costs the same as the 30D when introduced and the latter does not have an integrated cleaning system. It is really not like people are paying a premium for this technology. Again, I think there's no way around that someone, either you or a shop will have to clean your sensor eventually. What would really be cool is if someone where to invent some soft or wiping contraption that would wipe the sensor for you. Then you can as the shampoo instructions go, repeat as necessary. "I would buy that for a dollar!"


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Sep 27, 2007 13:09 |  #45

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A Rocket blower probably works better. Also, where does the dust go after it is shaken loose? It's still in there, ready to adhere to the sensor again, isn't it?

Yes, but really you think a rocket blower blows it all out of the body??? Naa it just blows most of it into the body, for it to end up on the sensor again.

I think most people worry too much about it, though I agree if you are shooting Sky, and at high F it shows a lot more, but most sky or whites it is easy to remove in PP.
I once looked at my 30D and had a fit, it was really bad, but a few rockets and it was good enough.
Even if the sensor cleaning action shakes it off, it is doing it everytime you turn on and turn off, so i would say you would have a cleaner sensor most of the time you shoot than i ever did with my 30D.

As for OP, I do think he has a grief, and should send his body to Canon to sort it out, I would. I have never had a problem since I got my 40D


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