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Oct 01, 2007 09:16 |  #1

Here are a few from last Friday. I know using a flash is a bit controversial, but imagine these shots without the flash - think of how the faces would appear (in shadows, probably) and the colors (IMO, flatter).

I like the expression of the LB (#31 in blue) as he sacks the QB in the first shot :)

Again, the "look" isn't for everyone, but I think it's important to consider all options when photographing under these very challenging conditions.

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Oct 01, 2007 09:18 |  #2

And here's a standard QB scrambling shot, but this kid wears a clear facemask, which makes it really tough to use the flash due to the reflections.


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Oct 01, 2007 09:21 |  #3

Dennis; great as usual. Care to share the flash settings? I was overflashing, and said "screw it" and went without. I'd really like to use flash and be good at it. During Overflash, I was probably +1 1/3 on the 550ex


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Oct 01, 2007 09:22 as a reply to  @ dmwierz's post |  #4

Very nice Dennis. I especially like the first. The blue football shaped highlight in the top right is an added bonus. ;)

What is your setup for these shots? HSS? Better beamer and flash bracket?


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Oct 01, 2007 09:28 |  #5

Thanks,

These were shot at ISO 800, f/2.8, 1/250s with the 400 f/2.8L IS on a MkIIN with flash in ETTL mode with +1/3 or +2/3 FEC (not sure which for each picture).

I hadn't even noticed the blue football. Cool.

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Oct 01, 2007 13:24 |  #6

Dennis, I'm shooting a HS football game this Friday and will use my flash. Trying to see if I can shoot HS football and maybe shoot for the school in the neighborhood I grew up in. I have a bracket that I used for a red carpet shoot which places the flash off the shoe and next to the camera. Do you think that would be acceptable? Also, I have a monopod and will be using a 70-200mm f.28 so I wanted to know if I should handhold or use the monopod. I can handhold a 70-200mm on my 30D and I am use to the weight of the L series lens. I only have the 70-200mm and not in a position to purchase any other lens so I'll have to hope the 30D and f2.8 and flash will help me.


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Oct 01, 2007 13:34 |  #7

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Dennis, I'm shooting a HS football game this Friday and will use my flash. I have a bracket that I used for a red carpet shoot which places the flash off the shoe and next to the camera. Do you think that would be acceptable? Also, I have a monopod and will be using a 70-200mm f.28 so I wanted to know if I should handhold or use the monopod. I can handhold a 70-200mm on my 30D and I am use to the weight of the L series lens.

Belle,

There are several current threads that describe the various HS football flash options, so rather than retyping all this, give the search a go and see what it yields.

Handholding a 70-200 is a personal decision. Heck, I see people with Rebel XT's and kit lenses on monopods on the sidelines (no offense intended to anyone who does this, by the way), so anything is possible. You shouldn't need a monopod for stability, as your shutter speeds should be > 1/(focal length), however if you want to use it to relieve your arms and back, it's up to you.

Personally, I hand hold anything shorter than a 300 just because it's a LOT more flexible to not have a monopod attached to my camera/lens. I know shooters who hand hold a 300, even, but that's a little much for me.

Regarding your flash bracket, while separating flash and lens by a distance is a good way to reduce redeye, the problem with putting the flash on the side is it can create some un-natural looking shadows. The eye is used to seeing shadows cast from above (you know, the big flash in the sky?) but it looks funky to us when the flash goes sideways.

That's why most HS football shooters use flash brackets that either pivot the flash or the camera, to keep the flash above the lens. Some also mount their flash to the monopod, below and in line with the lens.

Hope this answers your questions,

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Oct 01, 2007 13:45 |  #8

Dennis, I realize there are threads regarding flash use or not and have read them. My specific question was in regards to the bracket I planned on using. Thank you for your answer.


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Oct 01, 2007 13:52 |  #9

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Dennis, I realize there are threads regarding flash use or not and have read them. My specific question was in regards to the bracket I planned on using. Thank you for your answer.

Oh, OK. Gotcha.

FYI, my main bracket is a StroboFrame Pro-T, although I just saw one that's way nicer (and about 5X as expensive) called JustRite:

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Looks to be about ideal for any kind of shooting.

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Oct 01, 2007 13:52 |  #10

As you may know (I doubt you really care though...LOL), I dont like the flash look, but you made these look really great!


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Oct 01, 2007 13:58 |  #11

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As you may know (I doubt you really care though...LOL), I dont like the flash look, but you made these look really great!

Oh, 'diver, of course I care...:lol: Thanks!

Yeah, it's a taste/preference thing. I had the experience of hearing parents talks about shots of their kid where the face wasn't properly lit and exposed and it swayed me away from The Dark Side. Comments like "Gee, if we could see his face better, we could make a poster out of this shot" , or "Why are the uniforms so grungy looking?" kinda bring it home.


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Oct 01, 2007 13:58 |  #12

Yeah, those are some expensive brackets. My 30D has the batterpack/grip on it and the bracket I use(w/ flash on the side) works perfectly. This is only for practice so maybe I'll just PP the red eye out because I can't buy a bracket for that much for a practice shoot. The only other bracket I have is one I got for my Bronica medium format and the hot shoe is above the camera. I'll see if that works with my 30D. It's going to be awkward since some shots will be in portrait mode. Can't shoot horizontal the entire game.


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Oct 01, 2007 14:33 |  #13

Dennis, are you only shooting NN this year? I've yet to see the Huskies play, but would like to before the playoffs.


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Oct 01, 2007 14:41 |  #14

Kevin,

Well, it depends on what you mean by "only shooting NN". As far as prep football, yep, just the Huskies.

They're currently ranked #2 in the State, second to Mt Carmel. Now THAT would be a heck of a match-up. Not sure if they're in the same bracket or not. Will have to look this up. Last week they gave up 13 points to crosstown rival Naperville Central, and this was the first time all year anyone had scored in double digits on them.


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Oct 01, 2007 14:46 |  #15

I have to say, I shot a high school game last Friday on a fairly well-lit field and I decided to give it a go without a flash. I was happy that I had no red-eye, but disappointed by the huge shadows on the faces, the increased graininess and more motion blur. At least for high school football, played on high school fields, I have to vote for flash.

Lovely shots Dennis!


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