30D

Go for 30 or 40D and put the saving over the 5D into quality lenses.

Says who?

QX56 wrote in post #4047586
wedding ...should go with 5D ,30D is just not enough .

QX56 wrote in post #4047586
wedding ...should go with 5D ,30D is just not enough .

See what you did.....now you have upset everyone.
From another Michigander----------you can certainly use a 30D to create fantastic photos...............a​ctually most of mine have been created by a 20D. So it is more than the camera. The operator has a lot to do with it and you need good glass. Save money on the camera and put the money into glass. Then go out and create memories that will last forever............and don't forget to charge $10K for it!

QX56 wrote in post #4047586
wedding ...should go with 5D ,30D is just not enough .

False. All of my weddings were shot with a 20D or 30D.

*Bill wrote in post #4048439
If you like to shoot wide, definitely go with a 5D...

Hey Bill, I never understood why people say get a 5D if you want to shoot wide. I shoot wide like CRAZY, probably more than anyone else here in the wedding forum, and no full frame in my bag. Between the 10-22 and the 8mm fisheyes out there, I can't see any handicap in the wide end of a 1.6 crop.

Is there something I am totally missing? This wide shooting whore wants to know!

I use two 40D bodies. The only benefit to me that the 5D replacement will have is the subject separation from using the EF 24-70 @ f2.8 through its zoom range. The background looks somewhat like using an 85mm @ f1.8 on a 1.6 crop.

As far as quality and customer satisfaction the 1.6 crop bodies have exceeded expectations.

picturecrazy wrote in post #4049372
Hey Bill, I never understood why people say get a 5D if you want to shoot wide. I shoot wide like CRAZY, probably more than anyone else here in the wedding forum, and no full frame in my bag. Between the 10-22 and the 8mm fisheyes out there, I can't see any handicap in the wide end of a 1.6 crop.

Is there something I am totally missing? This wide shooting whore wants to know!

Your right Lloyd, I probably should have better explained. I actually also use 30D's as well. I suppose what I am saying is if you want to get 35mm out of a 35mm 1.4 lens, or 17-40 out of a 17-40L lens then a 5D is the way to go. I know you can get wide lenses for a 1.6x, but I would rather put some nice canon primes to use with their actual mm range: i.e. the 35mm 1.4, 85mm 1.8, or even the 28mm 1.8 - On a crop, these lenses are really not "wide." I guess when I made my comment I had particular glass in mind that I would like to see a bit wider than they are on a 1.6. I'd also like to widen my 70-200 IS a bit as well.

So yeah. You can achieve wide with a 1.6 crop, but for those of us that would like to get wider with some of the primes canon offers, the 5D is the way to go.

picturecrazy wrote in post #4049372
Hey Bill, I never understood why people say get a 5D if you want to shoot wide. I shoot wide like CRAZY, probably more than anyone else here in the wedding forum, and no full frame in my bag. Between the 10-22 and the 8mm fisheyes out there, I can't see any handicap in the wide end of a 1.6 crop.

Is there something I am totally missing? This wide shooting whore wants to know!

How about 12mm on a 5D then? (OK I know it's not a wedding photo - but it is wide! :lol

Rob

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pcunite wrote in post #4049428
I use two 40D bodies. The only benefit to me that the 5D replacement will have is the subject separation from using the EF 24-70 @ f2.8 through its zoom range. The background looks somewhat like using an 85mm @ f1.8 on a 1.6 crop.

As far as quality and customer satisfaction the 1.6 crop bodies have exceeded expectations.

Sorry, I've read this a couple of times through and I'm no closer to understanding. Can you elborate for thick me please?

5D replacement? What will be different?

Honestly there is no need to use the 5D, the 30D has a good IQ too.

However, I'm shooting most with my 1D Mark II and the 5D with the 50/1.4 for low light, which is a great combo. The 30D mostly as backup in the bag.
There are real noise differences visible between the 30D and 5D with 1600 ISO shots, but good noise software reduces this advantage of the 5D.

Jon Rouston wrote in post #4050155
Sorry, I've read this a couple of times through and I'm no closer to understanding. Can you elborate for thick me please? 5D replacement? What will be different?

Thanks for asking. First I am making a guess based on previous Canon upgrades that the 5D replacement will be a 40D with a full frame chip minus 6.5 fps.

The 40D is all about LiveView (manual focus wonderland) and the best center AF point Canon has ever made minus Canon Pro tracking AF only found in the 1D(s) series. So if you don't track it is the best.

What's wrong with the D60? it's 2x the 30D I shot with the 30D and D60. When I upgraded to the 5D, my D60 retired as a backup. Still shoot with the 5D + wide lens & 30D + a long lens for the extra reach, works wonderfully.

The 30D is more than enough for weddings, and it'd be nice if you can have the 5D but not necessary.

30D is perfectly fine for weddings.

Couple of questions to the OP:

-Just a question here but why are you selling the D200?

-Are there features that its lacking that you believe the 30D or 40D will have that the D200 doesn't?

-Are you just looking to make the swap to Canon?

-How much money do you have invested in glass right now? And if a good amount why not the D300?

These are some of the factors I look at when personally thinking of making the "Swap" (my main concern is $$ invested in glass). I am not trying to start a war/debate of any kind about brands, but these are legitimate questions that need to be asked

I am a firm believer that good photos are taken by good photographer whatever gear they are using.

The D200 is a great camera so I am very interested in your response. Again, not looking to talk you out of anything or stir up debate, just honest questions

I shoot wedings with two cameras. A 350D (17-55, 2.8 IS) and a 5D (70-200 2.8 Is) The 350D takes wonderful photos, the 5d does too - but cost me more than twice that of the 350D. In short a 5D is not totally necessary, the next camera I will buy will be a 40D.

Cheers

Damian