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Oct 02, 2007 21:31 |  #1

Years ago, I used to shoot with Agfa color and B&W 35mm film. I believe it was ASA 25/50 (if I'm not mistaken). Great film - I thought it was better than Kodak.

Anyway, is 35mm film at ISO 25/50 (or 64) still available? Everything I've seen so far, slowest available is 100.

Just wondering...


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Oct 02, 2007 22:13 |  #2

Hey Karl,

There are a few slow films out there. The only slow color films in current production that I know of are Velvia 50 and 64T (both the Fuji and Kodak versions).

In B&W there is Ilford PanF 50, as well as some slow films from Efke and Bergger (check Freestylephoto.biz).

I've recently shot a roll of Agfachrome ASX II (ISO 50) slide film (medium format), which I found locally. It's not currently being produced. It was very pretty, but it wasn't much different than Provia 100F, which is a phenomenal film.

I'm not sure what the value is of slow film for its own sake, because there are plenty of very high resolution / fine grain ISO 100 films these days. Astia 100F, Provia 100F, Velvia, and Kodak's slide films (like E100G and E100VS) are all made with the modern 'designer-grain' crystal emulsions (T-grain in Kodak's case), which are extremely fine grained and high resolution.

Tech Pan (ISO 25) is gone, but you can find people selling it here and there, but it's got a strange look and requires some care with its extreme contrast. You can try Gigabit film or some orthochromatic copy films, which are available in various places, and have ridiculous lpm resolution.

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Oct 02, 2007 22:21 |  #3

http://www.freestyleph​oto.biz/ (external link) has Efke which is orthocrhomatic and Rollei which is panchromatic.

I got myself a 100 foot roll of efke, I have to finish midterms and try it out later.


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Oct 02, 2007 22:28 |  #4

I forgot to add one more slow color film. Fuji makes a slide film called Fortia, which is ISO 50. It's so saturated that it makes their Velvia look positively mute. They only sell it in Japan, and it's mainly marketed for Japanese people to take pictures of cherry blossoms in the spring.

You can order some from http://www.megaperls.c​om (external link). I ordered 5 rolls of it in medium format, and they arrived about a week later. Great stuff!

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Oct 03, 2007 07:30 |  #5

Thanks, Paul and Doc, for the info. I didn't know about these different films. I never cared for Fuji (from years ago) as their colors always struck me as too pastel. I'll have to try these films.

DrPablo wrote in post #4053491 (external link)
I'm not sure what the value is of slow film for its own sake, because there are plenty of very high resolution / fine grain ISO 100 films these days.

Old-school habits and thinking die hard. Unless I'm going for a certain look (usually B&W), I hate grain/noise. I rarely shoot faster than 200; mostly at 100. I have Noise Ninja to help with noise but haven't much luck with that program. I did try Nik's noise program a couple of times. Same luck. However, I recently purchased three rolls of Tri-X Pro 400 because I saw some shots using that film and I loved its "moodiness".

Anyway, next week, I pick up the film gear and am looking forward to working with that Leica (or Zeiss, I'm not sure now). ;)

Again, thanks!


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Oct 03, 2007 08:29 |  #6

Fuji's slide films are far from pastel, with the sole exception of Astia (which is the best portrait film I've ever seen). Provia is incredibly richly colored and contrasty, and Velvia is similar but even more intensely colored. 64T is similar to Velvia, but tungsten-balanced. Some of their negative films, especially Reala and 160 Pro-C (aka NPC) are pretty vivid as well.

I really want to try Kodak E100VS, which is Kodak's very vivid slide film; but I already have so much Velvia lying around. I'll probably get some in 8x10, for which I only have HP5+ and Astia at the moment.

Modern ISO 100 films are basically grainless even in 35mm unless you make very big enlargements. If you want to make truly enormous enlargements without grain, you need to be shooting larger formats. I shoot Delta 3200 (pushed to ISO 12,800) in medium format, and the grain is fairly benign even at that size. And you can shoot ISO 400 and 800 basically grain free in medium format (and totally grain free in LF).


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Oct 03, 2007 08:49 as a reply to  @ DrPablo's post |  #7

Thanks, Paul, for the info and suggestions. I think it would be interesting to do some shooting with a MF camera especially at 800 or 1600.


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Oct 03, 2007 10:02 |  #8

DrPablo wrote in post #4053593 (external link)
I forgot to add one more slow color film. Fuji makes a slide film called Fortia, which is ISO 50. It's so saturated that it makes their Velvia look positively mute. They only sell it in Japan, and it's mainly marketed for Japanese people to take pictures of cherry blossoms in the spring.

You can order some from http://www.megaperls.c​om (external link). I ordered 5 rolls of it in medium format, and they arrived about a week later. Great stuff!

That link takes me to a page about persil washing powder in german...:confused:


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Oct 03, 2007 10:36 |  #9

hitmanh wrote in post #4056043 (external link)
That link takes me to a page about persil washing powder in german...:confused:

I believe this is the correct link (external link).


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Oct 03, 2007 11:01 |  #10

Karl C wrote in post #4056226 (external link)
I believe this is the correct link (external link).

Thanks :D


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DrPablo wrote in post #4053593 (external link)
You can order some from http://www.megaperls.c​om (external link). I ordered 5 rolls of it in medium format, and they arrived about a week later. Great stuff!

I see Natura Fuji 1600 speed film there. Is that any different than Superia 1600 in the US?




  
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Oct 03, 2007 23:29 |  #12

No idea. You can send an e-mail to Dirk Rossler, who runs the place. I'd consider using it in medium format if it were available, but I could also just shoot NPZ (800) and push a stop.


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