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Oct 13, 2007 03:29 |  #31

I don't recall that many gripes, sure there are a few that have not lived up to expectations, and a few that users thought they had a problem and after posting relised after being given advice it was user error.
Canon have sold a lot of 40D's since its release, so sure there are going to be some bad apples, but send it back and get another. I did see quite a people slating it, who never even had owned one or used one.

WHAT I don't see is loads of people regretting getting the 40D, and with Cash Back, and all ready price drops in UK, it is a bargain, I saw one review that said it was not worth it over a 30d,,,,, and that was based on 30 mins or so holding it in a shop.

The 40D is miles apart from the 30D, except in IQ, and noise, and there they are pretty equal 40D for me just nudges it, if you nail the image spot on, As for AF, VF, Tracking, and the other add ons, it is a fantastic camera to use.

MY view you made a mistake, even in the cash difference you would not even buy a a fraction of decent peiece of glass :(


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Oct 13, 2007 03:48 |  #32

There are some bad copies out there, no denying that. There wil lalways be bad copies with any product released to the public, whether it's just on the market or not. I have been the sad owner of one of the focus problem copies. Yes, it sucked but it doesn't deter me from giving the camera a shot. I liked the features on it so much I got another copy, if this one is flawed I'll trade it in for another one. I'll keep doing this till I get a decent copy, so far so good on my most recent one.

I would have given it a shot before going to the 30D.




  
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Oct 13, 2007 03:50 |  #33

I have a feeling after this post the OPer is going to have a bad case of buyer's remorse. LOL. Why would you buy old technology? Anyone that works in the consumer products industry should know that as time goes on, products improve or die (90% of the time at least). And the case with semiconductors it is extremely true. There are probably a handful of bug fixed in the new chipset.

I guess if cost is an issue, but still ...... .why?

Oh and 40D here and love it.




  
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Oct 13, 2007 07:39 |  #34

There is actually a bunch of PONT users that are not satisfied with their lives. I have a 40d, I jumped from a 30d which I liked but I must say that working with the 40d is a totally different (read better) experience.

connexile wrote in post #4070460 (external link)
There is actually a bunch of potn users who are not satisfied with their 40d`s.


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Oct 13, 2007 07:44 |  #35
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connexile wrote in post #4070396 (external link)
I`m wondering what you think of my decision about ordering a 30d with 17-55mm f2.8, giving up the 40d with 17-40mm. From what I have read online so far, the 40d is an awesome camera - if and only if you get a good copy!!! - . Apparently, there are lots of broken copies of the 40d around waiting for sale, as many people complain about some issues of softness and focus. On the other hand, I haven`t came up with any single bad review about the 30d yet. So I decided to go with the 30d with a 17-50mm f2.8. Actually, I don`t need the 2 millions of extra pixel and live view. I have been using a digital rebel for more than 3 years, so 30d is still a big step up for me. So what do you think? Did I make a bad decision, or would you do the same?

I'd take any online complaints with a grain of salt. The 30D will serve you well, but there's no way I'd have chosen it now that the 40D is out. Just my 02.


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Oct 13, 2007 07:46 |  #36

Well, I just attended my first airshow with the 40D. After shooting them with the 30D I can confidently say the OP made a very bad decision.


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Oct 13, 2007 07:53 |  #37
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Jon_Doh wrote in post #4073204 (external link)
You miss the point. I can't recall this many complaints on a new release as there have been with the Mark III and 40D, which leads one to reasonably conclude there are quality control problems. Eighteen months ago when the 30d came out there was a complaint here and there, but nowhere like the number with the 40D. Canon won't even acknowledge problems with the Mark III or 40D unless you send them in for service and in each case they admit there are problems with autofocusing in each camera and that they are working on the problem.

You don't recall the D200 banding issue then? Or zoom creep on the 18-200VR, or flare on the 24-105, or back-focus on the 50 1.2L, or the AF issues with the D2x (which turned out to be unfamiliarity with a new AF module), or auto WB oddities on the D80.

Every iteration of a DSLR crams more and more new tech into a body, and even the most rigorous testing will sometimes miss what the wider world will find due to sheer numbers. Add in the rush to be first to market (because of us users demanding more for less all the time), the far, far larger number of DSLR owners now than 2 years ago, the much higher use of the internet to research and report issues (whether real or perceived) and it's fairly easy to see that problems will crop up and be seized on.

Canon are unlikely to admit an issue until they a) have a fix and b) know beyond any doubt it's genuine - the litigious nature of the world today puts paid to corporate honesty up-front. They're far from alone in this - Nikon never admitted the D200 banding issue AFAIK.

I can see no reason whatsoever for choosing a 30D over a 40D unless the primary driver is budget.


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Oct 13, 2007 08:39 |  #38

I will offer these words as I don't really have a vested interest either way (I have the 30D, the 40D, the 5D all of which have come up in this discussion so far)
I know absolutely nothing about cameras. I may live most of my life on the little green box, I will buy only Canon lenses, and actually tend to stay away from post production stuff except from cropping.

So here's what I see (and it is common in almost every industry)
When a new product comes out, there are a bunch of people that run to buy it. QA and QC being what it is, there is probably going to be a failure rate of 2-5%. Now when someone buys something that is not only new to them but "new and improved" over something else- if it fails they will be rightly pissed or upset and complain about it. There is a certain expectation that something new is going to be AWESOME and when it fails it is such a stark contrast to what as expected, people get very vocal (again rightly they should)
I would be personally surprised if there weren't some problems with a new electronic gadget. What you really need to worry about is how well the company that makes the product handles the problems. It seems with Canon things are pretty good.

I have been shooting the 5D for about well maybe 2 years, had the the 1Ds Mk II for about 10 months, the 30D for about 4 months, and the 40D for about 2 weeks. They are all good, they all do cool things. I don't even really know if they are doing exactly what they are supposed to do but I've been happy so far. Until the other day I didn't even know a camera would "front focus" and it is still hard for me to tell based on some of the examples I've seen. In fact I just joined the forums and was blissfully unaware of most of the problems people were be having so I try to ignore them because I didn't know about it then, don't care about it now and if I do have a problem, I know where to get it fixed.
Lastly the Internet is a great resource, but you have to sort of take everything with a grain of salt. You don't always know if the person saying something positive or negative about something has an agenda or has any real expertise in the issue at hand.

I will say right now I am using my 40D mostly because it is new, and I like it very much. The live view thing seems a bit slow to me, but it does seem to focus faster just run "smoother" than the 30D. The only drawback with the 30D and 40D is that my best lenses come up short because the cameras are not full frame...but that is a discussion for another day.


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Oct 13, 2007 09:48 |  #39

Jon_Doh wrote in post #4073204 (external link)
You miss the point. I can't recall this many complaints on a new release as there have been with the Mark III and 40D, which leads one to reasonably conclude there are quality control problems.

I really don't miss the point.

Others have said it already, so I'm just reiterating what has been said already, but many (most) cameras go through this - the internet gives anyone with a complaint to make/axe to grind an instant voice - and very often the "problem" they're facing turns out to be a non-issue.

That said, there are sure to be rogue samples that sneak out which front focus or back focus, meter inaccurately, or what have you - but that's true of any product and nothing to base conclusions of poor QC on.

In my (fairly limited) experience though, Canon wil generally do right by its customers: one of my 30Ds started showing classic sympoms of a failing shutter after only 3,000 shutter actuations. Canon (quite rightly) accepted that the camera wasn't right and replaced the shutter in a few days.

A couple of months later, a brand new 30D I'd bought as a second body showed the exact same problem no more than 100 actuations in. Again, it was sorted without fuss (this time I was given a new body).

(You'll note that the problem with my first 30D didn't put me off buying a second one...)

Does this prove that all 30D shutters are crap and that they will blow up at the drop of a hat?

Nope - I was unlucky, that's all. My repaired/replacement bodies are absolutely fine.

Compare that with my experience of the appalling Nikon D200.

I had two of those before I finally gave Nikon the finger, and both had (in no particular order):

  • banding;
  • appalling noise even at lower ISOs (400 ISO was essentially unusable except in great light);
  • complete loss of any semblance of detail - a smeared, watercolour look to many pictures (for the record, I shot in RAW, had in-camera NR turned off, converted in Nikon Capture - and was careful about exposure);
  • inaccurate AF (believe me, the 40D problems I've been reading about are nothing compared to the behaviour of my D200s);
  • Unpredictable metering;
  • dismal battery life.

Nikon flatly refused to acknowledge any of these issues, even though I had a wealth of proof in the form of my own and other people's pictures and links to/copies of many, many similar complaints by D200 users on DPR/Nikonians/Nikon Cafe.

The difference here was that - certainly as far as the D200's sensor was concerned - the problem was unarguably a systemic design issue: the simple fact is that Nikon could not afford to admit that the fundemental design of the Sony-produced sensor was the problem.

I had to threaten Nikon UK with legal action before I was given my money back on the second of the cameras.

And here's the thing: you can take my word for it or not, but the problems I had with the D200 are still being raised by other "victims" on the Nikon forums right now: the worst thing people say abut the 30D these days is that it is just an upgraded 20D.

If what we're currently reading about the 40D and Mk III is still coming up 18 months from now, you might have a point.

For me, much as I appreciate the 30D, my 40D is in another league, and I agree with those here who believe that the OP made an error of judgement.



  
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