What can I do to improve. (besides the wrinkled drop) It just seems flat or something. It is shot using 2 shoot thru umbrellas and the settings that I metered. I don't like the skin tones and would like for the kids to "pop" more
PRS Member 95 posts Joined Feb 2006 More info | Oct 15, 2007 15:48 | #1 What can I do to improve. (besides the wrinkled drop) It just seems flat or something. It is shot using 2 shoot thru umbrellas and the settings that I metered. I don't like the skin tones and would like for the kids to "pop" more Ray
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Baadil Senior Member 856 posts Joined Mar 2005 Location: London More info | Oct 15, 2007 16:07 | #2 You may want to post a bit larger image for proper comments. Perhaps 600x800. Canon EOS 400D Xti (Poor man's 1D,) Canon 50mm 1.8 II, Sigma 55-200mm f/4-5.6, Canon 18-55mm Kit; Canon 17-55mm 2.8 IS
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Oct 15, 2007 16:28 | #3 sorry and thanks I resized it Ray
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nwa2 Goldmember 1,131 posts Joined Oct 2006 Location: Manitoba More info | Oct 15, 2007 16:39 | #4 Good things: Canon 6D; 7D; 40D:
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Baadil Senior Member 856 posts Joined Mar 2005 Location: London More info | Oct 15, 2007 20:14 | #5 Try moving kids away from the background. Also try changing ratio between your lights to add some soft shadows creating a bit more dimension. Canon EOS 400D Xti (Poor man's 1D,) Canon 50mm 1.8 II, Sigma 55-200mm f/4-5.6, Canon 18-55mm Kit; Canon 17-55mm 2.8 IS
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c71clark Senior Member 466 posts Joined May 2007 Location: NYC More info | Oct 15, 2007 21:26 | #6 I would push in a little, try and set them at a slight angle to the camera, and adjust the light ratio a bit to show some depth to the picture. When I looked at it again, I am beginning to wonder if their clothing color choice could be better, or the backdrop different? Canon 40D w/grip, 85mm f/1.8, 50mm f/1.8, 20k lumen studio fluorescent DIY light kit, 2 strobe studio kit, 580exII, PW's.
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Oct 16, 2007 14:45 | #7 Backdrop color is competing with their skin color and lighting is way too even. To make subjects 'pop' more by definition they must have differences from the background, otherwise it's like camoflauge (sp?). So try and make the backdrop different in light/tonality, color and/or focus and the subject will pop. Here the subjects are lit the same as the backdrop, just as in focus as the backdrop, and similiar in color to the backdrop. It's no wonder they do not 'pop'. 5DmkII, 5DmkIII, 5DS R, 15mm, 16-35 f/2.8 II L, 100 Macro f/2.8 L, 70-200 f/2.8 L IS, 85 f/1.8, 580EX II, 580EX, 550EX
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Titus213 Cream of the Crop More info | Oct 16, 2007 14:56 | #8 Dermit has got it I think. Move them a bit further from the backdrop, move one light at more of an angle off to one side, reduce the fill light from the camera position. This will create shadows on the faces (a good thing) and darken the background. One thing that took me a while to figure out was that you can move the lights in close to the subject and this increases the light drop off to the background, darkening it. Dave
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suzyb Senior Member 358 posts Likes: 1 Joined Mar 2006 More info | Oct 16, 2007 17:11 | #9 I hope you don't mind, but I thought I'd take a stab at this (I'm trying to get better at PS - so it's good practice.)
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darkjediii Member 64 posts Joined Jun 2007 More info | Oct 19, 2007 22:18 | #10 Hi PRS, I edited your photo and cropped a bit, I feel like the backdrop colors are too boring so I made a slight change. I needed a higher res uncompressed image for a better edit but I did what I could.
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Claribel Member 39 posts Joined Jun 2007 Location: Bronx, New York More info | Oct 20, 2007 02:41 | #11 well, i dont know much about studio lighting... but hers my play... i highlighted the background and played with the colors in selective color tool.... lighten the pic a tad, increase contrast, saturated their clothes, healed the wrinkles. i also used the doge tool on highlight to bring out their eyes a bit.
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inchman254 Member 226 posts Joined Jan 2007 Location: Oakville, Canada More info | This one definitely pops the subjects!. Might be just a bit too much though. Overall a more marketable photo, IMO, because it makes the subjects truly the focus of the image. Dave
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MishkasMagic Mostly Lurking 15 posts Joined Oct 2007 Location: Australia More info | Oct 22, 2007 10:39 | #13 no expert here but i love the blue but bubby still seems a little washed out Mishka
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RedHot Senior Member 992 posts Joined Jul 2007 More info | Oct 23, 2007 10:50 | #14 Permanent banPRS wrote in post #4129082 What can I do to improve. (besides the wrinkled drop) It just seems flat or something. It is shot using 2 shoot thru umbrellas and the settings that I metered. I don't like the skin tones and would like for the kids to "pop" more First off you need a better composition. Either get closer to the kids or get a longer lens. There is so much empty/wasted space of that image. You might want to pick a book up on portrait photography for composition ideas.
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