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Oct 16, 2007 18:32 |  #31

I truly would love a small p&s built for using "creative modes" primarly wih other words less muns and more buttons probebly a slightly smaller screen to fit them and the viewfinder! oh and a small wheel like those found on the dslr camres for shutter speed. That would make a great complement for the dslr that you would be able to take with you pretty much everywhere.


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Oct 16, 2007 18:50 |  #32

I find many times i would prefer to have something like the Powershot, due to its size. I almost need it plus my dSLR setup :)


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Oct 16, 2007 18:56 |  #33

Nothing can EVER beat a DSLR in the hands of someone who knows how to use it...


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Oct 16, 2007 19:17 |  #34

tonylong wrote in post #4136403 (external link)
I haven't used my S3 IS in, well, close to a year. I use my 3D and my 5D for all of my "serious" photography for all of the reasons stated above.

OK here is my questions:

How in the world did you get your hands on a 3D???

What connection do you have????

What are the feature???

Last I heard it was just a rumor!!!




  
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Oct 16, 2007 19:26 |  #35

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OK here is my questions:

How in the world did you get your hands on a 3D???


Its part of Canons Prequel range.

(I know, same joke, different thread :o )



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Oct 16, 2007 19:37 |  #36

lostdoggy wrote in post #4136826 (external link)
OK here is my questions:

How in the world did you get your hands on a 3D???

What connection do you have????

What are the feature???

Last I heard it was just a rumor!!!

Heh! What makes this real funny is that I had just responded to another post by someone who also left out a 0! That's a crack-up! But then, perhaps I was, in another universe, a Beta tester for a 3D that never made it to market:)!

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Oct 16, 2007 21:14 as a reply to  @ post 4131282 |  #37

PEOPLE WILL SCREAM AT ME....

IMO many photographers who tote around DSLR cameras would be much better served by a high grade P&S.

If you use the camera mostly for pics of the kiddies to email to Grandma and seldom if ever print anything larger than Walmart 4x6 prints AND if you seldom if ever post process your images - you will do just fine with a point and shoot.

Additionally, if you want to use only one lens on your camera, the P&S will probably make you as happy as a DSLR - especially a DSLR with a very wide range zoom lens. The ten to two thousand millimeter lenses (just kidding) that many folks want on their DSLR cameras because they don't want to switch lenses in the field just don't allow you to achieve the absolute best in IQ.

I have not seen any tests regarding this next comment but, I am fairly sure that a top grade P&S camera will be more versatile and probably give you as good, if not better, imagery than a DSLR with the 18-55mm Kit lens. In reality, you need to stop down to about f/8 to achieve good imagery with that lens. That knocks the heck out of versatility.

That said, I am not one of the above mentioned folks.

I love my DSLR cameras (I have and shoot with a 10D, 350D and 30D) I also love my collection of fine lenses (400mm f/5.6L, 70-200mm f/4L IS, 24-70mm f/2.8L, 12-24mm Tokina and 90mm f/2.8 Tamron SP Macro).

I am also willing willing to carry a relatively heavy load of gear to get the shots I want.

I like using off camera flash that I can bounce (although there are some P&S cameras that allow you to use an off camera flash).

Most of all, I like single lens reflex viewing and the relatively instantaneous image acquisition after pressing the shutter button.

However, don't look down your nose at P&S cameras. They can produce some pretty fine imagery.


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Oct 16, 2007 23:51 |  #38

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Add RAW to that. Add speed, perfect control, ergonomics, accessories, the ability to customize your kit based on your needs, superb high ISO performance (think 3200 on a DSLR = ISO200 on a buffed up 10-12mp P&S). Dynamic range, per-pixel IQ. You name it.

A P&S is a marketing gimmick. A cheap piece of crap made for the masses - ppl that don't know the first thing about photography , people that can be fool with numbers easily, people who don't know what good quality means in terms of photo gear. They are promoted thru aggressive advertising and extremely shady specifications that look good or work only on paper.

It's amazing how cheap a DSLR system is compared to a P&S if you consider the HUGE difference in quality, performance, durability. There really is no comparison.



  
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Oct 17, 2007 02:34 |  #39

Dragos,

I think you a re a *touch* hard on the P&S! Think you should read your own sig before slamming them all like that. P&S clearly has its place.... mainly in my pocket at a party ;)


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Oct 17, 2007 03:14 |  #40

Dragos,

I don't know how fair your pics are because I can't get your exif info.

Some of the pics tend to have either a different field of view or, as in the first pic, the subject changed position.

Not to dispute the basic premise, that a DSLR will excell in every way, but we need to compare apples with apples. The Canon S3 IS/S IS has f/2.8 capabilities -- were your pictures taken at the same aperture?

I'm just asking these questions because the differences between the pics is so striking, it would be good to know if the nominal camera settings were the same, and, in the first two shots the subject should be oriented the same way before we could compare the two shots.

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Oct 17, 2007 04:15 |  #41

Same Field of View in all the pics (160mm equivalent in the fist comparison, 85mm equivalent in the rest). Same aperture (f/3.2) in the first comparison, f/2 on the DSLR and f/2.8 on the P&S for the rest of the shots. Same ISO in all the shots. I would say the result would be equivalent on any given DSLR+50mm prime vs any ULTRAZOOM P&S. Now think 350D+50mm f/1.8 vs H9 :)
P.S : I'm sure some would say thats not a realistic kit. The 50mm f/1.4 USM , as was the 50mm f/1.8 and the Zeiss 50mm f/1.8 before it were by far my most used lenses. The 50mm is my everyday lens, used in 90% of my pics now that I've sold my zoom ( a few months ago), and 75% of my pics since January 2005 when i got my DSLR.

EOS Addict : perfectly true. A pocket sized P&S such as the Fuji F/20/F31/F40 is nice to have. But a "DSLR-like" just combines the disadvantages of P&S (sensor, noise, poor lens, poor IQ, poor ergonomics, poor battery,etc, etc) with the disadvantages of DSLRs (price, size, weight)




  
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Oct 17, 2007 05:04 |  #42

I have to say, I prefer the shots taken with your compact, compared to the ones taken with your DSLR.
And it has nothing to do with the camera.
The DSLR photos simply look far to over processed, just like something I would expect from a Sony P&S.
The other photos look a lot more like something I would expect from a DSLR RAW file that is awaiting some PP.



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Oct 17, 2007 05:19 |  #43

Moppie wrote in post #4139066 (external link)
The other photos look a lot more like something I would expect from a DSLR RAW file that is awaiting some PP.

Damn, maybe it's time to get your camera serviced.
Thats just my standard ACR conversion with no Photoshop PP.




  
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Oct 17, 2007 05:24 |  #44

Dragos Jianu wrote in post #4138965 (external link)
EOS Addict : perfectly true. A pocket sized P&S such as the Fuji F/20/F31/F40 is nice to have. But a "DSLR-like" just combines the disadvantages of P&S (sensor, noise, poor lens, poor IQ, poor ergonomics, poor battery,etc, etc) with the disadvantages of DSLRs (price, size, weight)

Then we do agree entirely! :lol:


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Oct 17, 2007 05:27 |  #45

I progressed from a G7 to a 40D in the last 48 hours. I have had a lot of fun with the G7, but the thing I immediately noticed was the fast shutter response on the 40D. I will keep both cameras and hope to continue to get to know them better. The very positive experience I had with the P&S G7 compelled me to buy the 40D.

Now, off to find a duck!


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