40D vs 30D?

It's funny because when the 30D came out a lot of people were bashing it and even saying the 10D produced better images.

Having had the 10D, the 30D and now the 40D I can only laugh. The 10D was a good camera, the 30D much better, but the 40D leaves them all in the dust. I don't shoot rulers or gray boards to measure noise levels, but I can say that the 40D is the best one yet out of the 3 DSLRs I've owned.

tiktaalik wrote in post #4165054
It's funny because when the 30D came out a lot of people were bashing it and even saying the 10D produced better images.

Having had the 10D, the 30D and now the 40D I can only laugh. The 10D was a good camera, the 30D much better, but the 40D leaves them all in the dust. I don't shoot rulers or gray boards to measure noise levels, but I can say that the 40D is the best one yet out of the 3 DSLRs I've owned.

Exactly!
That’s why I believe that the problem is with the attitude of the reviewer, not with cameras being reviewed..

Jon_Doh wrote in post #4164970
Gee it's nice to see you following me over here to this board Helrain. Perhaps I should quote your posts from all the boards you've been banned from. But I'm not going to play that game.

What I was referring to is the number of professional reviews and tests that point out what I said in my post here. Canon has finally recognized the autofocus problems with the Mark III and hopefully they'll soon recognized and offer a fix for the 40D's focus problems. I didn't cause the problems in these two cameras.

i doubt you have anything to back your claims

liza wrote in post #4164824
From what I've read, the 20D and 30D are about the same in terms of image quality. I actually own a 40D and in terms of the 20 vs. the 40D, there's no comparison. The 40D smokes the 20D in every respect. Keep in mind I'm not a pixel peeper, but I have over 20 years of experience behind the camera and, to me, the difference if obvious.

Delete the bold part, and I'm right with you...

My wife and I have owned a 300D, XT, 20D, 30D, and 40D. The 40D is the best. <~~~~~~ Please note the size of that period...

I think the ultimate test of the 40D AF was when I dusted off the old 75-300 III and tried it on the 20D compared to the 40D. The 40 would focus quickly and accurately inside. No such luck with the 20.

mven74 wrote in post #4165085
i doubt you have anything to back your claims

Let's give him some more time..

Jon_Doh wrote in post #4164970
Gee it's nice to see you following me over here to this board Helrain. Perhaps I should quote your posts from all the boards you've been banned from. But I'm not going to play that game.

Looks like that cheap shot backfired.



-js

I shoot mainly Rollerderby and Speed Skaters indoors under poor light. I use servo focus exclusively, and am always at ISO 1250-1600 to get the shutter speed I need. I used a 30D for about a year before upgrading to a 40D when they first came out. I've noticed a very significant increase in the 40Ds ability to lock and track focus over the 30D using the same lens 85mm 1.8 and 24-70 2.8L). My keeper rate has gone up to over 90% with respect to focus. Was lucky to get 50 percent with the 30D. In action sequence frames where a skater is moving through a corner where their relative velocity to the photog is first decreasing, then rapidly increasing away, the 40D does much better. In a 5 frame sequence, I'd typically get 1-2 adjacent in focus shots from the 30D. With the 40D, all 5 are in focus 95% of the time. The rest of the time I can usually tie it to error on my part. I'm shooting with the lens at F3.5-4 to get a little depth of field, and usind all focus points selected.

The other nice benefit of the 40D is that the noise control is much better at high ISOs than the 30D, especially if shooting JPEGs. This has increased my workflow a lot. Since most of what I shoot is for the web, I no longer have to shoot raw, then noise reduce/sharpen like I did with the 30D. Now I just shoot jpeg, resize, and one sharpening pass. For my use, they really are two completely different cameras in the way the perform and I'm very happy with my 40D.

Helrain-

You are incorrect. The noise performance on the 30D is slightly better than the 40D.. I used both of 'em, and kept my 30D... You can read it and see it for yourself here:
https://photography-on-the.net …376858&highligh​t=sadowsk2

I've recently gotten two co-workers to opt against the 40D (based on their shooting needs) and been perfectly happy with the 30D and used that price difference towards getting better glass...

I AM NOT SAYING THE 40d IS A BAD CAMERA!!! IT IS A GREAT CAMERA, I JUST THINK THE 30d FOR THE VALUE IS THE WAY TO GO AS CAMERAS DEPRECIATE SO MUCH!

Check the link out, look at the images, and decide for youself...

It will always come down to what you're shooting. The increased fps and reported better AF and AI servo on the 40D make a good case for those that shoot action, sports, bif, etc.

If you prefer the 30D or don't need what a 40D offers, that's cool, and for some the choice is obvious, one way or the other.

TMR = you are right! some people, for their shooting needs may warrant purchasing a 40D over the 30D... they're both excellent cameras...

Jon_Doh wrote in post #4164970
Gee it's nice to see you following me over here to this board Helrain. Perhaps I should quote your posts from all the boards you've been banned from. But I'm not going to play that game.

What I was referring to is the number of professional reviews and tests that point out what I said in my post here. Canon has finally recognized the autofocus problems with the Mark III and hopefully they'll soon recognized and offer a fix for the 40D's focus problems. I didn't cause the problems in these two cameras.

I read several reviews on the camera before I got it and not one mentioned issues with the focus. My experience is that the focus is very accurate; better than my "old" camera.
This is how rumors start, people making false statements on equipment that don't even own.

Jon_Doh wrote in post #4031911
The 40D has improved autofocus, but except for that the 30D is a better camera and will take better pictures.

"30D is a better camera, and will take better pictures" please, i mean please would you kindly explain me this

i have criticized 2 40D's so far, and tho both of them had issues i don't think 30D will shoot better pictures, neither 40D will
(ofcourse ai servo is faster)

I wouldn't say the 30D is the better camera per se... In my humble opinion, for what i shoot, the 30D is the way to go, save the cash and put it towards more L glass... I just don't think they did enough to the 40D... I would've like to have seen: Live view WITH AF as I believe the Noinks have, I would've liked 8 fps, and for me, improved ISO performace (sorry folks, I shot with both cameras on more than one occasion now and it ain't any better than a 30D...), 12 MP, more sensible locations for the rear buttons (i.e. play, delete, etc.. ) and more AF points.... From someone who's looking to go FF in the next few months, if the 5D Mk2 is the same incremental improvement, I'll happily purchase a 5D and save the cash for other stuff... Again, some people may have a need for what the present 40D offers... More power to 'em- it is a GREAT camera!

also don't forget that ( i think ) canon found a way to make full frame sensors in 1 way construction , so it should be cheaper ?

also remove the PRINT button please, i'd also like a new focussing screen pattern, with rule of thirds with the option to turn them on or off, ah btw 51 focus points(whatever nikon has ) would be nice to track birds... 46 would do quite nicely actually.

again , cameras are pretty balanced, and the price diference for me was 200 € but i would go with the 30D and not look back if i didnt had the extra 200 € , custom functions are nice but they obviusly could be allooot better.. also that nikon's horizon indicator is f**ck*ng nice, i'd love to use that on my sturdy tripod.
and t3h l!st goes on.

what really bothers me is the way the MK III butons feel... when compared to the 40D's.

sadowsk2 wrote in post #4171757
I would've like to have seen: Live view WITH AF

I also don't like the way they implemented AF on the 40D Live View - but I guessed it was due to technical constraints?