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Oct 21, 2007 20:30 |  #16

Bump the ISO. Also shoot as close to the glass as you can, focusing far away, to make the glass less of an issue. You probably want to err on the side of slightly overexposing (especially if shooting raw) because you want that ice nice and white.


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Oct 21, 2007 20:33 |  #17

I agree with bumping up the ISO to 1600. A MKIII should let you shoot at 3200.


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Oct 22, 2007 04:05 as a reply to  @ Tapeman's post |  #18

Check the sports section of this forum. Lots of info in there, with example pics, of shooting hockey through the glass and otherwise. FWIW, I shoot @ 1600 1/320(ish) and wide open at a youth rink with decent results. You should be able to do at least that at an AHL game. I assume you're working with better lighting than most of us "hockey dads" will ever see at the rinks our kids play in.


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Oct 22, 2007 05:52 |  #19

Look into Noiseware Community to help with any grain you might get as well, it will change your perception of using high ISOs.

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Oct 22, 2007 06:36 |  #20

This is always a problem without strobing. I have shot loads of hockey and it is the same all over. jacking up the ISO is just about the only answer except for strobing the arena from the ceiling. One thing you can and should do is visit during a practice, get on the ice when it is not being used and meter it by hand. Luckily the ice acts as a great big reflector. But the backgrounds will fool yor meter everytime. Shooting through the glass is a waste of time. If you want to go long you can backup the seats and shoot over the glass but that limits you FOV. Holes in the glass are the best answer, but pay attentin to what you put out those holes, you might want it back <vbg>

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Oct 22, 2007 06:43 |  #21

And be sure you shoot with 4-5 UV filters on the front! ;)


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Oct 22, 2007 07:36 |  #22

at AHL level you need a shutter speed of 1/400 at the slowest, 1/500 is better. Anything less and you'll have too many blurred body parts (unless you specialize in shooting players who aren't moving). Use M Mode, go up to ISO3200, open your lens to f2.8, dial in 1/500. If you get the subject properly exposed you won't need noise reduction. >>These<<were shot at 3200. If that isn't giving a decent exposure, then get an f2 lens. I keep my 135 f2 in the bag for the worst-lit rinks.

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Oct 22, 2007 10:56 |  #23

Sageg wrote in post #4166764 (external link)
Bump the ISO. Also shoot as close to the glass as you can, focusing far away, to make the glass less of an issue. You probably want to err on the side of slightly overexposing (especially if shooting raw) because you want that ice nice and white.

Ya beat me to it...THAT'S the solution...bump the exposure 2 clicks to compensate for the meter's desire to turn white into gray...it thinks it's doing you a favor...it's counter intuitive, just as when shooting against a black background you have to UNDER expose a bit (to compensate for the meter's desire to turn BLACK into gray...) to keep the black, BLACK.


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Oct 22, 2007 11:03 |  #24

Thank you for all your wonderful feedback.
Good point adam8080. I will try putting my ISO up next time and deal with the grain. And I do shoot RAW so I can manipulate the pics fairly easily.




  
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Oct 22, 2007 19:58 |  #25

sportsshooterinME wrote in post #4170093 (external link)
Thank you for all your wonderful feedback.
Good point adam8080. I will try putting my ISO up next time and deal with the grain. And I do shoot RAW so I can manipulate the pics fairly easily.

Bumping the exposure to get white ice will reduce the noise a lot...noise being exaggerated by underexposure.


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Oct 22, 2007 20:41 |  #26

Ann- I shoot two youth hockey games each weekend with the same camera and lens combination that you have, also shooting RAW. Sunday's game was at ISO 1600, f/2.8, 1/640th. Don't hesitate shooting at ISO 1600 and use Noise Ninja to clean up the images.

The only difference I see is that I have not been shooting thru the glass and have shot from above the glass looking down. Is this an option where you shoot?


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Oct 22, 2007 20:43 |  #27

adam8080 wrote in post #4165835 (external link)
1. Bump up you iso speed.
2. If you still can't shoot as fast as you need to, you may want to upgrade to a 135L, 100L, or 85L.

Adam- You need to take into account both the speed of the lens's maximum aperture as well as focus speed. The 85L while and f/1.2 is a dog when it comes to focusing. At that focal length one is much better off with the 85 f/1.8 for shooting moving objects.


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Oct 22, 2007 21:19 |  #28

RichNY wrote in post #4173335 (external link)
Adam- You need to take into account both the speed of the lens's maximum aperture as well as focus speed. The 85L while and f/1.2 is a dog when it comes to focusing. At that focal length one is much better off with the 85 f/1.8 for shooting moving objects.

I was just gonna say this... the 85L couldn't track a turtle in AI Servo mode, let alone a skater. The 85mm f/1.8 is VERY fast and would do the trick. ISO 1600, 85 f/1.8 at 1.8 would get you some decent shutter times. Focusing far away will be better as the DOF increases, Hockey is HARD to cover without really fast glass. The mkIII and the N**** D3 would be GREAT for Hockey since they've got some really clean ISO 3200 capabilities.

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