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40D and aperture priority problem

 
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Oct 21, 2007 17:25 |  #1

For some strange reason my camera’s aperture priority is going wacky on me. It is taking pictures that are really dark. I attached a picture to show you guy’s how bad off it is. Maybe there is a setting that I don’t know of to fix this.

Even changing the iso and F stop doesn't fix the problem. I have tried pulling out the battery and memory card and the put them back in to see if that would fix. No luck there. Does anyone know what the problem could be?

This is already my second 40D so I hope its just a setting I am missing.



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Oct 21, 2007 17:29 |  #2

You've got EC set to -1.6, Donte!

No wonder it's dark...




  
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Oct 21, 2007 17:35 |  #3

Ok, This may sound dumb but since I am new this camera....where do I change that?




  
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Oct 21, 2007 17:38 |  #4

Yeah, I see that too. Not being used to using the wheel for EC, I made that mistake without noticing it when I got the 40D as well. I now make it a habit to keep the power switch in the lock position when not in full manual.


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Oct 21, 2007 17:39 |  #5

I made the same mistake myself when I bought my very first XTi!

A real 'doh!' moment...


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Oct 21, 2007 17:40 |  #6

In Av, look through the viewfinder or on the top display and rotate the wheel on the back of the camera. You'll see the line in the exposure meter moving. For a standard exposure it should be in the middle.


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Oct 21, 2007 17:41 |  #7

WOW!!!!! I feel dumb. I thought that setting couldn't be changes in AV mode.




  
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Oct 21, 2007 17:43 |  #8

Page 93 of the 40D manual.


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Oct 21, 2007 17:51 |  #9

EC means "exposure compensation". The idea is that the camera will generally expose so that the average of the metered intensities in the scene comes out to "middle gray".

If you're shooting a scene where you know that the average should be lighter than "middle gray" then you can add some exposure compensation (move the little needle to the right of center) to make the scene come out properly. Such a scene might be, for instance, a person in light clothes standing in front of a white wall. The camera would underexpose that scene without exposure compensation -- it would try to make the whites look more like gray. Similarly, place a person in dark clothing in front of a dark wall and the camera would normally overexpose it (by trying to make the blacks look grayish in intensity), so you'd have to put in some negative exposure compensation (move the needle to the left of center).

A lot of this will depend on the metering mode you're using, but the metering mode tends to primarily change what is being metered more than how it's being metered.

Bryan Peterson's Understanding Exposure is a good book on this subject.

Hope this helps...

EDIT: in your original image, most of the area in the image is occupied by what looks like a white wall, so I would expect that you'd need to add a little exposure compensation to get it to come out right. If I had to guess, I'd say move the needle 2/3 of a stop to the right of center, but I'm not very good at guessing this sort of thing for entire scenes, as I usually spot meter the important scene elements (so I only need to know how much compensation a given element needs).


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Oct 21, 2007 21:03 |  #10

I suspect you bumped the back wheel when it was active! I've seen myself do this once or twice. The "big wheel" modifies exposure.

If you shoot RAW, you may be able to save the pictures a bit better than other methods. The couple I've "lost" were resurrected that way.

[Image]
Make = Canon
Model = Canon EOS 40D
Orientation = top/left
X Resolution = 72
Y Resolution = 72
Resolution Unit = inch
Software = ACD Systems Digital Imaging
Date Time = 2007-10-21 15:14:27
YCbCr Positioning = centered
Exif IFD Pointer = Offset: 230
GPS Info IFD Pointer = Offset: 8720

[Camera]
Exposure Time = 1/200"
F Number = F5
Exposure Program = Aperture priority
ISO Speed Ratings = 640
Exif Version = Version 2.2
Date Time Original = 2007-10-21 13:57:39
Date Time Digitized = 2007-10-21 13:57:39
Components Configuration = YCbcr
Shutter Speed Value = 7.63 TV
Aperture Value = 4.63 AV
Exposure Bias Value = -1.67EV
Metering Mode = Pattern
Flash = Flash did not fire, compulsory flash mode
Focal Length = 28mm
Maker Note = 7714 Byte
User Comment =
Subsec Time = 0.593"
Subsec Time Original =
Subsec Time Digitized =
Flashpix Version = Version 1.0
Color Space = sRGB
Exif Image Width = 800
Exif Image Height = 533
Interoperability IFD Pointer = Offset: 8674
Focal Plane X Resolution = 4438.356
Focal Plane Y Resolution = 4445.969
Focal Plane Resolution Unit = inch
Custom Rendered = Normal process
Exposure Mode = Auto exposure
White Balance = Auto white balance
Scene Capture Type = Normal

[Interoperability]
Interoperability Index = ExifR98
Interoperability Version = Version 1.0

[MakerNote (Canon)]
Image Type = Canon EOS 40D
Firmware Version = Firmware Version 1.0.3
Owner Name =
Camera Serial Number = 520211919


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Oct 21, 2007 21:40 |  #11

kcbrown wrote in post #4165859 (external link)
EC means "exposure compensation". The idea is that the camera will generally expose so that the average of the metered intensities in the scene comes out to "middle gray".

If you're shooting a scene where you know that the average should be lighter than "middle gray" then you can add some exposure compensation (move the little needle to the right of center) to make the scene come out properly. Such a scene might be, for instance, a person in light clothes standing in front of a white wall. The camera would underexpose that scene without exposure compensation -- it would try to make the whites look more like gray. Similarly, place a person in dark clothing in front of a dark wall and the camera would normally overexpose it (by trying to make the blacks look grayish in intensity), so you'd have to put in some negative exposure compensation (move the needle to the left of center).

A lot of this will depend on the metering mode you're using, but the metering mode tends to primarily change what is being metered more than how it's being metered.

Bryan Peterson's Understanding Exposure is a good book on this subject.

Hope this helps...

I'd like to add a slighly different alternative technique to the valuable advice given here.

KcBrown makes what is one of the most important points in modern exposure systems: when the camera meters an area to be exposed, whether spot exposure, evaluative, centered, or average, it is calculating for a "tonality" of medium gray. What that means in practice is that if you expose for a lighter-than-gray area, the camera will tend to underexpose to render that area as medium; if you expose for a darker-than-gray area the camera will over-expose.

With that in mind, there are times when we can have a little more control than using the Average and estimating the overall tonality of the scene. Let's say you have an area in your field of interest that you can identify as medium, dark, or light, and that you can fill all or most of your center "exposure circle" with that area. If you put your camera in spot focus, it will automatically create a "medium" exposure for that center. If it's snow, for example, the camera will underexpose to render it grayish -- you know this, so you can stop up your expose, up to a couple of stops, to make the snow white.

On the other end, if your center is dark or black, you know you can stop down your exposure to make it the proper tone.

This technique has worked well with me when I wasn't sure how to interpret a whole scene, but I had a portion of the scene that I could interpret. For expample, on a recent trip to Mount St. Helens, I was pleased to find a nice patch of medium-gray cloud around the top of the mountain in the middle portion, so I didn't even have to do an exposure lock and recompose or even use EC. In that case, I was confident to let the camera expose for medium gray. In other instances, I've used either manual or aperture priority EC Using this method you'll frequently have to use exposure lock and recompose when your exposurecircle is not dead center for your shot, but it does give a bit of thoughtful control!

Hope this helps!

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Oct 21, 2007 21:58 |  #12
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This is clearly the user error.
With Evaluative (Pattern) metering, dark vase in front of white background calls for some positive EC.
Instead of, let’s say +2/3 EC, OP gave it -1 1/3 EC.


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Oct 21, 2007 22:42 |  #13

And you say this is your second 40D? I'm afraid to ask what was wrong with the first!


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