dpreview 40D review! just posted :D

KarlMarsh wrote in post #4182862
I dont own a 40d (yet) but can't you turn off the in camera noise reduction? According to the review you can only turn off the 'High ISO speed noise reduction' option but basic noise reduction is always on. This really sucks because it is almost like shooting JPEG instead of raw with a loss of detail that can't be recovered.

Using custom Function C.Fn II -1 and C.Fn II -2 you can disable / enable both Long Exposure Noise Reduction and High ISO Speed Noise Reduction.

Not sure what you mean about 'basic noise reduction'? If you mean the inbuilt functionality of the sensor to minimize noise, this is present in all DSLR's and is not an option.

wow that is what I call an in depth review.

The review looks very positive to me. Is the IQ better than the 30D? Probably not, but that's not why I bought the 40D over the 30D - I like all of its other features.

The only real negative that I see here is the mention of the overly aggressive AA filter resulting in jpegs that may require a little additional sharpening; no big deal though.

I thought it was a well done review of a very nice camera. If my 20D ever breaks...

AthleticsPhotog wrote in post #4182900
wow that is what I call an in depth review.

Indeed. If you want a look-and-feel "review" read Luminous Landscape. If you want a hard numbers review read DPReview. Both approaches have their place and they complement each other nicely, but I know where I go when I want a proper image quality comparison. Seems like Phil Askey continues to add more detail and data to his reviews. Good stuff.

aLFaDaRK wrote in post #4182780
I figure the 5D will have the best overall noise performance for any digital SLR even after the 5D successor is released, because it will likely have more megapixels than the 5D, giving it slightly worse noise performance.

Don't bet the farm on it. If the 5D-to-5DII improvement is similar to the 1DII-to-1DIII improvement, the 5DII will be the best Canon DSLR in terms of noise performance. More pixels only equals more noise if all else is equal, which it won't be if Digic III and better microlenses are used on the 5DII like on the 1DIII.

What is the "Tilt Correction" feature mentioned that the 40D has and the 30D does not? That's a new one for me.

Looks like it allows you to crop and deskew photos for Direct Print operations.

Jon wrote in post #4183650
Looks like it allows you to crop and deskew photos for Direct Print operations.

Yup, see that now. Should have read the whole review first before asking. Great review

inzite wrote in post #4182468
very funny the have a review of 40D up before 1Dm3 haha :P

That is becasue the 1 series cameras are too advanced for DPR.

KarlMarsh wrote in post #4182862
I just read the whole thing. They basically say that all the new features are very nice and an improvement over the 30D but they also say


and there is less detail in the high ISO shots than the 30d due to in camera noise reduction. I dont own a 40d (yet) but can't you turn off the in camera noise reduction? According to the review you can only turn off the 'High ISO speed noise reduction' option but basic noise reduction is always on. This really sucks because it is almost like shooting JPEG instead of raw with a loss of detail that can't be recovered.

of course you can turn it off. And the detail lost isnt lost, its just because of the AA filter. Shoot raw, sharpen yourself, lovely. Or remove the AA filter yourself and live it up.

I think I'd rather buy 5D then 40D... its more of an upgrade from my 30D, but at this point I think I've not outgrown 30D to long for more... it satisfies me at this point.

p.s. I started shooting for a newspaper in Milan

sandro9mm wrote in post #4184133
I think I'd rather buy 5D then 40D... its more of an upgrade from my 30D, but at this point I think I've not outgrown 30D to long for more... it satisfies me at this point.

p.s. I started shooting for a newspaper in Milan

But this time..
40D has some clear advantage over the 5D.
Just about every aspect of the 40D is better than 5D. Other than the sensor size.

Then again.. you buy 5D for a sensor size..

In2Photos wrote in post #4183842
That is becasue the 1 series cameras are too advanced for DPR.

I have to agree with you on that one. I rarely visit that site unless I'm in the market to buy a point- and-pray camera for someone.

aLFaDaRK wrote in post #4182854
More pixels in the same amount of area means smaller pixels on the sensor, which means the camera has to invent more pixels on its own because it's not getting as much detail from the smaller pixels, meaning more noise.

The 5D and 1D II have the largest pixels on the sensor, and coincedentally have the least noise, and most detail. Less megapixels, but high quality ones.

Edit: That was a reply to Jon btw, meant to quote the post.

As Simon Cowell would say, "I don't mean to sound rude, but..." that's a load of rubbish. The camera doesn't 'invent pixels' the way you describe. And pixels do not have detail. They simply record a light level, which is ascribed a colour by the filter above that particular pixel. More pixels means more detail. Detail only exists when you have lots of pixels. What causes the noise is thermal noise in the amplifier at each pixel site. Denser pixels means more thermal noise generated. Noise is reduced in newer cameras by improving the amplifiers, plus cleverer image processing in the new Digic III processor.