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Oct 24, 2007 21:28 |  #1

The estimate for the number of shots left doesn't change as I change the ISO (RAW or JPEG) on my Mark III but it does on another person's Mark III and it does on my XTi...

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Oct 24, 2007 21:57 |  #2

It doesn't on mine. CF or SDHC.

1.1.0? Maybe...what size cards and what card slot? Some quirk of styles?


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Oct 24, 2007 22:12 |  #3

Grrrr. Yeah, we both have 1.1.0, and we're both using CF. I have SD in there too, but the same happens with only CF in there. Styles wouldn't have anything to do with this...


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Oct 24, 2007 22:27 |  #4

I would hope styles wouldn't do it, but I've seen worse errors than that in firmware.

And well, full card, empty card, 2gb, 4gb, 8gb, CF and SDHC, RAW, various JPGs and folders, mine appears fairly confident that it knows exactly how many shots are left regardless of ISO.

Now you've really piqued my interest.


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Oct 24, 2007 22:33 |  #5

Good - maybe we can get to the bottom of this........

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Oct 24, 2007 22:50 |  #6

How drastic is the change in shots remaining? I just tried two different Sandisk 8GB Extreme IIIs and got 351 and 352 when empty. After 10 pictures it was down to 341 and 341. 10 more and it's 331 and 330. We know the shot count is based on a preset average (or something) anyway, so....I'm going to blindly guess that if the difference is only one or two pictures, it might be a quirk of that card in that camera. When you get a chance, try your card in his camera and see if they agree on what should be left, then try it ISO again. Same for his in yours.

Sort of that, I'll blame dust delete data until someone comes up with something more crackpot than I because I'm at a complete loss for the moment.


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Oct 25, 2007 05:37 |  #7

Shots remaining is an estimation. Different factors affect the number displayed.


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Oct 25, 2007 09:07 |  #8

Yes, I believe it is an estimate of shots left. A very good estimate I think. Depending on how many unique colors are in each shot the file size changes.


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Oct 25, 2007 11:17 |  #9

No, I understand it's only supposed to be an estimate. But that estimate varies by nearly 100 shots on my XTi when I have it set on ISO 100 vs. 1600. On my Mark III on 100 vs. 6400, there is no change in the estimate. There is a change on my friend's Mark III.

FWIW, I get about 467 shots remaining (IIRC) on my Mark III with an empty 8GB card. I usually end up getting more than 550 shots on an 8GB card when filled, but the estimate always starts around 460...


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Oct 25, 2007 16:06 |  #10

What jpg compression have you picked on the Mk III? And how about noise reduction and other menu choices?


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Oct 25, 2007 17:27 as a reply to  @ gasrocks's post |  #11

As I see what you have explaned so far.......

If you shoot in Raw the camera will estimate how many "average type" shots you have left on the card. If you take say 10 shots of the sky it will be totally different that if you took say 10 shots of downtown New York that is because the amount of pixels used in the sky shots is minimal however a busy New York image would have lots of colours and contrasts so would use more pixels. The sky images could be half the size.

Then of course if you changed to shoot in low res Jpeg the images left would go up drastically.

I can only quote this on your 1D MkIII not your other camera's

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Oct 25, 2007 17:41 |  #12

You'll get the most variation with jpeg because of the compression of "like" pixel values, but RAW files -- I'm looking at a folder with files varying from under 11 meg to over 16 meg from my 5D. And my 5D does recalculate the image count when I change the ISO, for whatever obscure reason...

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Oct 25, 2007 17:49 |  #13

tonylong wrote in post #4191705 (external link)
And my 5D does recalculate the image count when I change the ISO, for whatever obscure reason...

That's not weird, that's what's supposed to happen. I just don't know how to get my Mark III to do that (purpose of this whole thread). My XTi does it....


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Oct 25, 2007 20:38 |  #14

sbressler wrote in post #4191741 (external link)
That's not weird, that's what's supposed to happen. I just don't know how to get my Mark III to do that (purpose of this whole thread). My XTi does it....

Probably because noise control on the 1D III blows the other current cameras away...and noise is a huge factor in file size thus frame count remaining.


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Oct 25, 2007 21:06 |  #15

cdifoto wrote in post #4192558 (external link)
Probably because noise control on the 1D III blows the other current cameras away...and noise is a huge factor in file size thus frame count remaining.

I agree in principal, but that doesn't tell us why it does change on another Mark III as stated in the OP.


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