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Nov 02, 2007 08:08 |  #31
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David - Canon will never really work well with 3rd party software developers, not even with their SDKs. Like most software developers, they don't tell 3rd party developers everything. Microsoft is notorious for this I might add. This is why I prefer open source software - everything is out in the open, there for you to see. If you want to improve it, go take the code, read it and improve it. That's a much better way to develop and improve software imho than the closed source behaviour model.

I'm not saying card readers are bad - they aren't. My original point, and others didn't seem to grasp this (thankfully you did), is that Canon should be picking up the game at their end.

I know that most people aren't particularly PC literate, I have certain viewpoints on that issue itself that most people would dislike ;)

The card reader issue is a bit like a driver who can't park in carparks properly who decides not to go to carparks with their car as a solution to the issue, rather than learning how to park properly. The easy way out is not always the right way, in my life experience at least.

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Nov 02, 2007 08:21 |  #32

dpastern wrote in post #4238186 (external link)
The card reader issue is a bit like a driver who can't park in carparks properly who decides not to go to carparks with their car as a solution to the issue, rather than learning how to park properly.

Not quite.


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Nov 02, 2007 08:24 |  #33

Another take on the same issues.

1) We can't dismiss the issue just because something should work. Until it does work, its a valid reason. Regardless of why, a guy sitting on the side of the road with flat tire that should be designed to never go flat, he still has a flat tire and is stuck!

2) Some people aren't careful, do have pets, and thus its another good reason for many in that situation.

3) Most people aren't running Linux since they aren't technically inclined, or just wish to be compatible with the rest of the world. So they are stuck with windows and Canon software.

4) I agree, in that I'd rather use a separate memory stick than use my camera cards.

5) Who wants to wait a few hours while the camera battery is recharging so they can use it to download the images after a days shooting. A card reader would allow them to download instantly rather than wait on the recharge. And again the reality is that camera software and drivers aren't perfect, and most won't resume. So we have to live with today, not vaporware of tomorrow.

6) Very true, as just as valid as the first 4 out of 5.

7) Also very valid. Most cameras are very slow. But if they support the same specs as a card reader the point is moot.

8) You can loose the card reader just as easy as the camera cable. But if you are using something on a daily basis, its not likely to be lost easy. Its those things that you set aside since you don't use it often that are at the most risk. Also, the cost of each is about the same. I find this rather moot.

9) There is no number 9. I just added this to inject some humor to help set my mood so that its not misunderstood as a personal attack of sorts because I don't happen to agree with the points made. The humor should set my tone and thwart that notion. This one can be ignored, as it's not like you are removing the tag off the mattress that say its illegal to remove the tag. Go ahead, ignore number nine if you wish!

Yes, we do need to get on the manufacturers for better designs and more stable software. No question there. But I do have to say though that the most compelling advantages to using the card reader is the fact that its generally faster, you don't have to wait until your camera is recharged before starting your transfer, it puts less wear and tear on an expensive piece of equipment while putting it a cheap commodity product that's readily replaceable, and you can use your camera while downloading the images. These 4 points are all I need to make that decision vary easy. I personally never even considered using the camera when making that decision. It seemed so clear to me, and the cost of the reader so cheap (editing sytem has it built in, $29 for reader for laptop) I didn't need to analyze it further.


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Nov 02, 2007 08:32 |  #34

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I use DL Pro, mainly 'cause it tags my images with the GPS Coordinates....

Out of curiosity, how does it know where you took the picture for it to do that?

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Nov 02, 2007 09:02 |  #35
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Stephen - my point #3 was to point out that if open source software can make things more reliable etc, then why can't Canon and Microsoft? They have lots of money and huge resources, and many talented programmers, I would expect that from them, especially for things that I'm paying for.

And I most certainly wasn't personally offended by your post lol! Hell no! You made some very good arguments, valid points that I can see for some (or perhaps most) users make it worthwhile to use a memory card reader. I guess I just don't need to use one given my circumstances ;)

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Nov 02, 2007 09:44 |  #36

TeeJay wrote in post #4238281 (external link)
Out of curiosity, how does it know where you took the picture for it to do that?

TJ

You have to point it at some tracklogs, many GPS units can create them and then you export them to your computer. The simplest way I've found is to use a Sony GPS-CS1, not as accurate as most but good enough for my purposes and it acts as a USB Memory Stick so no need to export, just plug it in and Dowloader reads straight from it.

It synchs it's time with the satellites and I can synch my cameras with Downloader (I just plug them in every couple of weeks and it does it automatically). Then downloader looks at where you were when you took the shot and embeds those coordinates into the image.

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Nov 02, 2007 11:07 |  #37

dpastern wrote in post #4238407 (external link)
Stephen - my point #3 was to point out that if open source software can make things more reliable etc, then why can't Canon and Microsoft? They have lots of money and huge resources, and many talented programmers, I would expect that from them, especially for things that I'm paying for.

They could, but they haven't, and they should. So for today, its a moot point until they do. But again, if you are on the side of the road with a flat tire, it doesn't matter that the tire manufactures should be making tires that never go flat, it doesn't solve the current day problem. That was my point. Other than that, I agree with you 100%.


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Nov 02, 2007 12:36 |  #38

For point 8 at least it seems to stand true for you then apparently... a built in card reader, you cannot lose, as you could easily lose the usb cable (or can't find it becasue family member "borrowed" it because it fit their mp3 player... grrrr... :) )

I have to say, I find point 9 quite intriguing... I will agree with you on that one as well. 8)

My point for including some of the "fluff" items though, weren't meant to be taken on their own... but you take the whole as an entire group, I think it makes a pretty good case for suggesting the use of a card-reader, even if some of the items are just fringe benefits, or don't apply to everyone.

On the other-hand... if connecting camera directly is working for anyone, keep doing it... I'm not trying to change your mind on that matter. For those who cannot solve the direct camera connection problems on their own, however, they ARE probably better suited to the simple card-reader solution, IMO.


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