Upgraded from a 20D to a 40D - VERY Dissapointed.

You guys are all KILLING me.

The OP said he used FAITHFUL mode. Uhm, faithful mode sets the in camera sharpening to 0. This means (unlike the 20D where 0 does have sharpening applied) that ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NILL, NADA, NO in camera sharpening is applied. You images are soft because you don't have any sharpening. Put the camera on STANDARD mode and see if it doesn't improve things. OR.. take your image and run it through Photoshop's USM filter at 300/.5/1

forkball wrote in post #4245646
You guys are all KILLING me.

The OP said he used FAITHFUL mode. Uhm, faithful mode sets the in camera sharpening to 0. This means (unlike the 20D where 0 does have sharpening applied) that ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NILL, NADA, NO in camera sharpening is applied. You images are soft because you don't have any sharpening. Put the camera on STANDARD mode and see if it doesn't improve things. OR.. take your image and run it through Photoshop's USM filter at 300/.5/1

yes, we were tryinmg to put it to him gently....

I Simonius wrote in post #4245932
yes, we were tryinmg to put it to him gently....

lol... I have found political correctness in this forum to be counter-productive. I think it should be a POTN mandate to just tell it like it is, damn someone's feelings or ego. They'll get resolution much quicker that way.

OP: You don't have "Image Edit" turned on in your profile, but I figured this is an exception since you're asking for help. Otherwise let me know and I can delete the post.

Anyhow, here's what it looks like after some auto leveling and USM. Seems either the camera or the lens is front focusing by quite a bit.

You can try MLU, tripod like others have suggested..but if you can't shoot 1/8000th, I think there's some problems.

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I Simonius wrote in post #4245252
To the OP , er.. I thought I made that clear???

what do u mean? i did...this is with the timer, and i was still during shuter, did not transfer any motion to camera, and there was no wind. see, these are blurry all on their own; thats why i made this thread.

::: connor

forkball wrote in post #4245646
You guys are all KILLING me.

The OP said he used FAITHFUL mode. Uhm, faithful mode sets the in camera sharpening to 0. This means (unlike the 20D where 0 does have sharpening applied) that ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NILL, NADA, NO in camera sharpening is applied. You images are soft because you don't have any sharpening. Put the camera on STANDARD mode and see if it doesn't improve things. OR.. take your image and run it through Photoshop's USM filter at 300/.5/1

nah, its no use...i redid these tests using Standard, as well as custom where i set the sharpness gradually at 3, 4, and 7....still have blur.

I contacted Canon, they said they have had a lot of the 40Ds sent in, as well as newly released 16-35 II's AND the new 24-70s (different than old 24-70s somewhat) so im sending it in. they said lots of 40D are having issues with the new AF system in that body line. i talked to them on the phone, and he said he had 17 40D's just came in that week.

so, still blurry on sharp tests with MLU and 10second timer, tried in cam sharpness at 3, 4, and 5, so thanks for the help...i'll post a new test when i get it back.

::: connor

p.s. - i feel somewhat like i was treated like noob in this thread...not a lot, but somewhat...like "break it to him nicely" or after i TOLD you i have used a 24-70 for two years and a 20D, some people talked about handheld camera shake...i mean come on, we shoot two weedings a weekend, corporate gigs, portrait studios shoots, and been doing that for 5 years in addition to 20+ years as hobby (i mean, i used to develop in darkrooms), so...not bragging, but my point is maybe next time skip the usual noob idiot suggestions like handheld shake, etc...is OBVIOUSLY not that when im getting blur at 1/8000, even with sharpness on, lol. thanks again.

number six wrote in post #4245551
Ummm, do you by any chance have a filter on the 40D?

-js

hoya pro1 uv 72mm on my canon 24-70
hoya pro1 v 62mm on my sigma 30mm

why? filters shouldnt negatively affect IQ. i dont know any pro photographer that doesnt have a uv filter on, if just for lens protection alone.
::: connor

Just want to wish you luck...I had hoped it was just something as simple as the 200%, rather than a 100% crop. I downloaded the trunk pic...and even with USM I couldn't get as sharp a pic I thought I should...I have no answer...so luck is all I can offer...please keep us in touch and let us know how it works out...

kitacanon wrote in post #4248586
Just want to wish you luck...I had hoped it was just something as simple as the 200%, rather than a 100% crop. I downloaded the trunk pic...and even with USM I couldn't get as sharp a pic I thought I should...I have no answer...so luck is all I can offer...please keep us in touch and let us know how it works out...

yes will do, bookmark this, i will update when i get it back from canon...sending in body and 24-70 lens, since both brand new.

::: connor

crobs808 wrote in post #4248567
i talked to them on the phone, and he said he had 17 40D's just came in that week.

::: connor

p.s. - i feel somewhat like i was treated like noob in this thread...not a lot, but somewhat...like "break it to him nicely" or after i TOLD you i have used a 24-70 for two years and a 20D, some people talked about handheld camera shake...i mean come on, we shoot two weedings a weekend, corporate gigs, portrait studios shoots, and been doing that for 5 years in addition to 20+ years as hobby (i mean, i used to develop in darkrooms), so...not bragging, but my point is maybe next time skip the usual noob idiot suggestions like handheld shake, etc...is OBVIOUSLY not that when im getting blur at 1/8000, even with sharpness on, lol. thanks again.

Where are you located? I'm in Southern California and have dealt with the folks at the Canon USA service center in Irvine. They claim that VERY few 40Ds have come in. I'm guessing that you are in the UK or somewhere else in Europe. Given that the 40D was available there and in Asia in large quantities before it was available here in the States, it might make some sense that your service center has seen more 40Ds.

Also, I can relate about being bashed a bit when I first joined this forum. I'm on my second 40D, both had unacceptable levels of junk on their sensors out of the box, and my comments about dirty sensors on new cameras were met with much disdain. My replacement body, the first was an Err 99 monster, is coming back from its second trip to Canon, and they don't know what's wrong with it, though they have verified that it was giving me errors.

I haven't decided what I'm going to do re: my 40D adventure, but suffice it to say that I'm feeling pretty torn about the 40D and I'm really beginning to wonder if the the 40D has serious issues. I hope not, 'cause I love that camera.

Best,

Michael

i talked to a guy at the new jersey location; sending it monday. my sensor was 100% clean, no issues there. the people that ive heard complain about that, or other cosmetic issues are usually buying japan models from ebay...i got mine from Onecall.com, was actually cheaper than any ebay deal 3 weeks ago when i bought it ($1,350 shipped with 28-135 IS lens...think they are up to $1,499 now-ouch!), and guaranteed to be USA model.

Also, about the forum...it is great, im not offended at all. ZERO hard feelings here, just wanted to make that clear. some of the respnses I half expected since people do not know me yet, so no harm done. When I first posted on here about 2 weeks ago, I thought it was assumed that everyone on here were pros, i.e. did this for a job, not just hobbyists, so when i got those common sense responses about handheld camera shake, i was just surprised someone would suggest that, like who doesn't think about those common sense things before they post a serious IQ issue thread? but like i said, no worries now.

::: connor

M24 wrote in post #4248679
I haven't decided what I'm going to do re: my 40D adventure, but suffice it to say that I'm feeling pretty torn about the 40D and I'm really beginning to wonder if the the 40D has serious issues. I hope not, 'cause I love that camera.

hopefully the first round of firmware updates will be released soon, for the mark iii and 40D...maybe your err99 will get fixed by that (hopefully).

i know i have only gotten that error a few times on my old 20D, but i turned i off then back on, and wouldnt get it again for 2 or 3 hours. not sure how frequently you are getting it on you 40D...might want to try a new card...i used to get them all the time on my 20D using Lexar Professional, but havent gotten it once on my Sandisk Extreme IV 4GB.

::: connor

orisky wrote in post #4248241
OP: You don't have "Image Edit" turned on in your profile, but I figured this is an exception since you're asking for help. Otherwise let me know and I can delete the post.

sorry, forgot to enable it when i originally registered...enabled now.

and when you say it is front focusing by "quite a bit" do you mean more so than normal? as in...will canon be able to fix it?

ALSO - For anyone to answer....I read Canon's website about the limited warranty, and it says when you send in equipment it can be replaced by refurbished parts?!!! I just bought this 40D and 24-70L lens like 2 weeks ago! I do not want some refurb back in exchange...how can I be sure I will get back my original equipment? They just need to calibrate it right? How do I know for sure they wont ship me refurb stuff back? I know I can record the serial number and all, but if they ship back different serial number stuff, then i'm SOL right?

::: connor

forkball wrote in post #4248162
lol... I have found political correctness in this forum to be counter-productive. I think it should be a POTN mandate to just tell it like it is, damn someone's feelings or ego. They'll get resolution much quicker that way.

Good job you're not a moderotor then!:p

crobs808 wrote in post #4248543
what do u mean? i did...this is with the timer, and i was still during shuter, did not transfer any motion to camera, and there was no wind. see, these are blurry all on their own; thats why i made this thread.

::: connor

Don't worry Ithink we're in danger of gettig nto misunderstandings territory

It is beginning to look like frint focussing might be your problem...it would explain it