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Nov 03, 2007 11:57 |  #1

I've never shot with studio lights and hardly use my flash. I'd like to set up a small studio in my house for portraits of family and friends. I have an extra bedroom I can convert into a studio. I'm looking at this http://www.alienbees.c​om/beginner.html (external link)
from what I've read here it looks like a decent startup kit to get me experimenting. Not sure what type of backdrops I should start with and what type of meter to buy. I ordered a couple lighting books, but in the mean time am asking our beloved forum members if I am on the right track, am I missing an essential tool? Any suggestions??


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Nov 03, 2007 19:40 |  #2

So, perhaps this was a terrible question or one that's been asked too much, Read the read first pages and flipped through 3 pages and didn't find the answer I was looking for...anyone?


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Nov 03, 2007 19:45 as a reply to  @ thatkatmat's post |  #3

my only comment is to be patient, the experts will chime in, Saturday is not a really busy time in this part of the forum, wait till everyone is back at work and has time to post!!:lol:


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Nov 03, 2007 19:46 |  #4

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Nov 03, 2007 20:01 |  #5

I recently purchased that package; however I didn't like the effect of the umbrella, so I picked up an octagonal softbox. The back drops I have so far are a black and a white one from a fabric store. I also purchased a flash meter, which helped tremendously. The other thing that I did was build a reflector frame out of pvc pipes and attached a whiteboard from office depot to it with some clamps from Home Depot. To hang the backdrops I ran some heavy guage wire across the room and used some small spring clams from Home Depot to attach them.


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Nov 03, 2007 21:28 |  #6

It'd be fine, but i'd get a soft box or octobox instead of an umbrella. Also if you want a really white background you'll need another light to point at it. Given your gear list I doubt the extra cost will be a big problem for you :)


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Nov 03, 2007 22:42 as a reply to  @ Plecotus's post |  #7

I recently purchased that package; however I didn't like the effect of the umbrella, so I picked up an octagonal softbox.

Did you get that from Alien bee's too?

The back drops I have so far are a black and a white one from a fabric store.

What type of fabric did you go for? I noticed the muslins are pretty spendy.Do you find it to be suitable for portrait work....guess so as I'm assuming you're using it:)

I also purchased a flash meter, which helped tremendously
The other thing that I did was build a reflector frame out of pvc pipes and attached a whiteboard from office depot to it with some clamps from Home Depot. To hang the backdrops I ran some heavy guage wire across the room and used some small spring clams from Home Depot to attach them.
That's a great idea, might just give it a shot

Thanks for the info, much appreciated


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Nov 03, 2007 22:50 |  #8

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It'd be fine, but i'd get a soft box or octobox instead of an umbrella. Also if you want a really white background you'll need another light to point at it. Given your gear list I doubt the extra cost will be a big problem for you :)

thank you for your responses......I read that I should buy matched studio strobes, would this work for the background as well? I would have to wait on that though. I do pretty well it's true.... and my gear is very expensive..... but, it takes me a while to save enough for each lens I own. So, for a starter kit I should be OK with an Alien Bee's 800, soft box and stand....maybe follow the previous posts suggestion of fabric for backgrounds and fabricate some sort of reflector too....sound about right? In the mean time read as much on studio lighting as possible:)

BTW Tim, thank you for your book suggestions on your profile, it has helped me tremendously to have that kind of list available:)


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Nov 03, 2007 23:32 |  #9

Yes, I did get the octagonal softbox from Alien bees, it was the fold up kind for easy storage. I purchased the muslin type fabric; however as long as you place your subject about 6 feet away from the backdrop and use around an f5.6 stop you will not see the texture from the fabric.

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I recently purchased that package; however I didn't like the effect of the umbrella, so I picked up an octagonal softbox.

Did you get that from Alien bee's too?

The back drops I have so far are a black and a white one from a fabric store.

What type of fabric did you go for? I noticed the muslins are pretty spendy.Do you find it to be suitable for portrait work....guess so as I'm assuming you're using it:)

I also purchased a flash meter, which helped tremendously
The other thing that I did was build a reflector frame out of pvc pipes and attached a whiteboard from office depot to it with some clamps from Home Depot. To hang the backdrops I ran some heavy guage wire across the room and used some small spring clams from Home Depot to attach them.
That's a great idea, might just give it a shot

Thanks for the info, much appreciated


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Nov 03, 2007 23:43 |  #10

I have what I think is a simple question. What type of shooting will you be doing with your strobe investment? I bought a pair of AB800's on FM back in the Spring, then bought my light stands, umbrellas, and a vagabond direct from The Buff Store in Nashville. However, my shooting style dictates what I purchase, and since I do a majority of my shooting on Location/ Outdoors, I purchased the 800's over the 400's. If you do not need the WS of the 800's, then buy a pair of 400's. I have a 30x60 Softbox, and it does do well, however, I have used someone else's octabox, and they do a better job of spreading/ diffusing the light. I also bought a white on black shoot thru umbrella & a gold/ silver reversible umbrella, however, I am getting ready to purchase another white/ black shoot thru. If you are shooting outdoors with strobes, then your background will my pretty well diffused anyways, however, for indoors stuff, when not at the studio I work for, I use King Sized Black & Tan Sheets for a backdrop. Improvising can save a few $$$ here and there, plus you can build your own reflectors & scrims also. I bought the LS1300 I believe, they were $40 each I think. They are the 13 Ft heavy duty stands. Stands will vary upon who you talk to, but I wanted something that would hold weight, and have a pretty good footprint to distribute that weight, without worry of tip over. Just some input for you.


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Nov 03, 2007 23:46 |  #11

This is a very popular question on this form.

Test drive all of these threads:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=386925

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=338572

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=277467

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=353403

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=312258

And there are scores more.

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Nov 03, 2007 23:59 |  #12

Thank you, really appreciate the feedback and the links, perhaps the 400's would suit my needs a little better, looks like I have lot's more reading to do:)


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Nov 04, 2007 00:02 |  #13

Instead of dropping the dough on alien bee's off the bat I bought a Vivitar 285HV to get the feel for flash photography and today I just ordered my 2nd Vivitar 285HV and Monday I'm ordering Impact's Umbrella/Stand/Hotshoe setup.

The whole setup was less than $375.


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Nov 04, 2007 03:30 |  #14

The way I figure it 800s are a cheap upgrade from 400s, and matched lights are a good plan. If you want to shoot big groups in direct sunlight then go for the biggest lights you can find, WL3200s or better, but I doubt you'll need that. 400s would be fine for smaller groups or inside stuff.


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Nov 04, 2007 07:02 |  #15

onedownfiveup wrote in post #4248063 (external link)
Instead of dropping the dough on alien bee's off the bat I bought a Vivitar 285HV to get the feel for flash photography and today I just ordered my 2nd Vivitar 285HV and Monday I'm ordering Impact's Umbrella/Stand/Hotshoe setup.

The whole setup was less than $375.

Yes well the sides are still very divided when it comes to "strobist" shooting. I wouldn't trade my studio gear for anything. I simply can't get the quality of light from anything compact. (Note i said QUALITY, not QUANTITY).

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