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Jun 12, 2008 16:44 |  #16

Some ideas...

A teleconverter is not going to be particularly useful on the 100-400 lens. I'm afraid your next step for more reach is going to be an expensive one... 500/4 IS. That's a fabulous lens, but expensive. (Sigma makes a 500/4.5 which is a little less expensive, but not a lot and it doesn't have IS, which is very useful on any 500mm).

Any teleconverter on the 100-400 with Rebel cameras will make it very difficult or impossible to auto focus (the Canon teleconverters won't even try), especially a 2X. It will almost surely be manual focus only at the long end of the 100-400 (f5.6) which is where you'd be most inclined to a teleconverter. Some of the third party 1.4X teleconverters might still try to auto focus, but the viewfinder is going to be dim, AF might only work in the most ideal conditions, and AF may slow way down or focus inaccurately, if at all.

Now, if using one of the 1D series cameras (or 1V or EOS-3 film cameras), a 1.4X should work on the 100-400, with the center focus point only. But assomeone already mentioned, I'm not sure image quality would be all that great with a zoom. (Canon 2x and 1.4X both work very well with prime lenses they are for - 300mm, 400mm 500mm, 600mm - just not so great with zooms.)

How about a macro lens for the little critters? Depends on if your husband likes to shoot small subjects. A 90mm, 100mm or 105mm macro can be a good compromise, also useful for portraits of people. There are Canon, Tokina, Tamron and Sigma macro lenses, all of which are pretty darned good.

The 24-70/2.8L zoom might be useful to him. It's got a macro range that gets in pretty close, too. Excellent image quality. Again, it sort of depends on what he likes to photography.

Does your husband like the wide angle of the 16-35, ever say he wished he had wider for landscapes and that sort of thing? A Tokina 12-24 or Canon 10-22 would give him that option.

I'm afraid that none of the above, short of the 500/4, will help very much with the distant wildlife you asked about. And, with the 500/4 you almost need a pack to carry it in and a special tripod & tripod head to use it with. (Can be handheld a little, and used on a monopod some of the time, or set on a beanbag.... more on these below.)

Tokina, Tamron, Sigma, Vivitar and others used to offer a 500mm f8 mirror lens that could be fitted to EOS cameras. However, as far as I know, no one is making one now and all will be manual focus only on any Rebel camera (might not have even been made in auto focus, I don't know). Now, when I shot with manual focus, film cameras and traveled a lot with them, I used a Tamron SP 500/8 mirror lens quite a bit. It was a good lens that could be adapted to most cameras (interchangeable mount, although the EOS Adaptall-2 mount is quite hard to find). Mainly, it was compact and light weight. But, manual focus is difficult with any modern Rebel and would especially be so with an f8 lens. Still, it's an idea. You'd want to talk it over with your husband though, before going this route.

Top quality polarizing filters for the 16-35 (82mm) and 100-400 (77mm) would be useful, if he doesn't already have them. Look for Hoya Pro MC, Heliopan SH-PMC or B+W MRC or B+W Kaesemann for the best quality. Polarizing is probably more useful on the 100-400, it can overly saturate skies on a wide lens like the 16-35.

The only other filter I'd recommend, in both sizes, would be a UV (B+W calls it a KR 1.5 I think). Look for the MC, SH-PMC and MRC designations in those brands, again, for the best quality.

A lot of people put UV filters on their lenses all the time to "protect" them. I don't and personally think that's rather silly. There are times some protection is useful, but not all the time. However, a UV filter can also help images be more saturated in hazy and dusty situations, which might be the case.

Kenko extension tube set might be handy for use with the 100-400 if shooting small birds relatively close (I don't have that lens, so am not really sure how close it can get on its own, without extension tubes).

Someone mentioned a monopod, useful even with IS lens like the 100-400. A tripod is useful too, but may be a hassle in some situations.

A beanbag is another great support, especially if shooting from vehicles. You can pack and take one empty and just go to a market, but and fill it with red beans (or rice or similar) when you arrive. Put a large plastic bag inside the bean bag, to hold the beans (or whatever). When you are leaving give the beans to someone who can use them and pack away the empty bean bag again. Easy to pack and light weight.

Does he have vertical battery grips on his cameras? These double the battery capacity of the cameras, so he can keep shooting a lot longer. They also help the smaller Rebel cameras feel better balanced with larger lenses like the 16-35 and 100-400. And, vertically oriented shooting is made easier with duplicated controls on the side (shutter button, etc.). I have battery grips on all my user cameras.

Any use for a flash? The Rebel built-in flashes are pretty wimpy. A 580EX II (bigger, but more powerful) or 430EX (smaller, less powerful) might come in handy. Best used on a flash bracket, mounted off to one side, which requires an off-camera show cord (OCSC2 or OCSC3). And, a flash extender can be very helpful with a long lens like the 100-400 and wildlife (Better Beamer is one brand, Flash Xtender is another... You need to buy one to fit a specific flash, though.)


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Jun 12, 2008 18:33 |  #17

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Jun 13, 2008 08:43 |  #18

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Jun 13, 2008 09:09 |  #19

just had a been bag delivered here may be usefull on safari

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Jun 13, 2008 10:14 |  #20

If you are on a budget the new Sigma 150-500 OS has so far impressed me. The OS works rather well, have 500mm shots at 1/100 sec and AF seems accurate. Not tried it in the field yet but this could save you 500% of the price of the 500mm f4... :)


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Jun 13, 2008 12:37 |  #21

Or this Tamron I have heard is good

Tamron SP AF 200-500mm F/5-6.3 Di LD IF


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Jun 13, 2008 14:43 |  #22

amfoto1 wrote in post #5711105 (external link)
How about a macro lens for the little critters? Depends on if your husband likes to shoot small subjects. A 90mm, 100mm or 105mm macro can be a good compromise, also useful for portraits of people. There are Canon, Tokina, Tamron and Sigma macro lenses, all of which are pretty darned good.

I've been on a number of safaris here in Kenya since I arrived (some professionally driven and some self-driven) and I have never had the bother to use a macro lens. There are too many other shots to take and some parks/guides will not let you out of the vehicle to use a macro lens. It's not worth the weight.

amfoto1 wrote in post #5711105 (external link)
I'm afraid that none of the above, short of the 500/4, will help very much with the distant wildlife you asked about. And, with the 500/4 you almost need a pack to carry it in and a special tripod & tripod head to use it with. (Can be handheld a little, and used on a monopod some of the time, or set on a beanbag.... more on these below.)

There is no doubt that the 500 is an awesome lens, it isn't all it's cracked up to be. We were just in Samburu at a new place that just opened (not even finished construction), called Saruni. There was a friend of the owner who had a 500 F4 IS and it weighed a ton! I'm 6'1" and not a small guy and would not want to shoot it hand-held. A beanbag of an appropriate size for that lens wouldn't be great if you are sharing a vehicle with others. The 100-400 is a great compromise. I've shot right to the eyes of elephants with that lens.

amfoto1 wrote in post #5711105 (external link)
Any use for a flash? The Rebel built-in flashes are pretty wimpy. A 580EX II (bigger, but more powerful) or 430EX (smaller, less powerful) might come in handy. Best used on a flash bracket, mounted off to one side, which requires an off-camera show cord (OCSC2 or OCSC3). And, a flash extender can be very helpful with a long lens like the 100-400 and wildlife (Better Beamer is one brand, Flash Xtender is another... You need to buy one to fit a specific flash, though.)

Fill flash could be useful to help with harsh mid-day light or early in the morning and late in the evening. Something other than the pop-up flash could be useful.


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Jun 16, 2008 06:11 as a reply to  @ post 5708780 |  #23

I shop the net as well, and have purchase a number of items from Adorama. We have places like Ritz Camera at home, but costs are much higher. Enjoy and have a safe trip home!
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Jul 03, 2008 02:22 as a reply to  @ post 5709036 |  #24

Thanks for the info. I live in Tanzania, but my Kenya friend that owns the company emailed me last Thursday that the Migration is starting. We are leaving Nairobi for Mara on July 12 and will spend a week on both sides of the Mara River. We caught the Migration the same timeframe in 2006. We arrange this same trip every year with friends, family, and colleagues. In February here in Tanzania we do a trip to the Serengeti and Crater for the calving which is also great. Spent this last weekend in our nearby Park, Mikumi, but nothing is like the Mara during Migration!! We've had so many National Geographic moments. Asante sana...........


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Jul 03, 2008 05:08 |  #25

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Thanks for the info. I live in Tanzania, but my Kenya friend that owns the company emailed me last Thursday that the Migration is starting. We are leaving Nairobi for Mara on July 12 and will spend a week on both sides of the Mara River. We caught the Migration the same timeframe in 2006. We arrange this same trip every year with friends, family, and colleagues. In February here in Tanzania we do a trip to the Serengeti and Crater for the calving which is also great. Spent this last weekend in our nearby Park, Mikumi, but nothing is like the Mara during Migration!! We've had so many National Geographic moments. Asante sana...........

They're migrating already?! Last year they didn't start to cross until the beginning of September. A friend I work with was in the Mara (at Mara Siria) last weekend and didn't mention anything about the wildebeasts migrating.


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Nov 18, 2009 23:24 |  #26

We have now been living in Africa almost 12yrs, the last 5yrs in Tanzania. We have one last big safari in Feb for the Berthing Season in the Serengeti, and we move to Kenya next summer. I have purchased my husband just about everything folks have suggested, to include the 100-400, fish eye, ultra wide angle, etc. I understand the new thing now is the GPS. Does anyone have any knowledge on one that would work with his Canon XT or Canon XTI? Thanks as always.


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Nov 19, 2009 06:23 |  #27

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I understand the new thing now is the GPS. Does anyone have any knowledge on one that would work with his Canon XT or Canon XTI? Thanks as always.

Still the best solution is to use a handheld gps that can record a track and write it out to a PC. Then there's various bits of software that will take the gps track info and match the gps coordinates to photos taken at the same time. The position data is written to the photo's exif data.

Try a search on geotagging for more detailed info.


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