40D - Theater - I miss Nikon.

Not to start a flame war here, but if someone was happy with the Nikon D40, why purchase a 40D instead of a higher end model within the Nikon system like a D80 or D200?

Make Auto ISO a moot point then.

MrChad wrote in post #4283207
Not to start a flame war here, but if someone was happy with the Nikon D40, why purchase a 40D instead of a higher end model within the Nikon system like a D80 or D200?

Make Auto ISO a moot point then.

Because of all the other elements that Canon kicks Nikon's butt on out weighs the ISO feature.

This is a Canon forum why is there a Nikon discussion?

Anyway, Auto ISO is an awesome feature. You simply have to be a silly sod not to see it or not have shot a lot in varying conditions. I am human, I make mistakes and I know other people who shoot with me also make mistakes. One of the mistakes is sometimes we forget to switch the ISO down from 1600 after an inside shoot and loose a few shots because of it. Usually not more then 1 or 2 shots. But sometimes those shots are important. Auto ISO is awesome feature if properly implemented (I am not sure it is on the 40D).

I am not saying Auto ISO should take away manual ISO selection, but Auto ISO is a feature I would use a lot. When I ask my camera for 1/200 in Tv I want it to cycle ISO as NEEDED to achieve that exposure. Because I know what I asked for, I asked for 1/200 not ISO100. Getting that 1/200 exposure is important for me that is why I selected Tv in fact. The camera should be smart enough to provide me a well exposed shot and vary the ISO if that is what it takes.

The same should work in Av or M. If I ask for a shot I would love the camera to cycle the ISO for me to make this shot succeed without under or over exposure.

sigsegv0x0b wrote in post #4283569
This is a Canon forum why is there a Nikon discussion?

It's called being aware of the market in general.

radiohead wrote in post #4283791
It's called being aware of the market in general.

Everyone is already aware of the Market... there is no need to be more aware of it then "already aware"

MrChad wrote in post #4283207
Not to start a flame war here, but if someone was happy with the Nikon D40, why purchase a 40D instead of a higher end model within the Nikon system like a D80 or D200?

Maybe he's actually used a D80 or a D200 - that might well be enough to send him Canon's way!



Must admit though - I'd like a "proper" Auto ISO in the 40D. It's the one thing I miss from my D70/D200 days.

sigsegv0x0b wrote in post #4283808
Everyone is already aware of the Market... there is no need to be more aware of it then "already aware"

Hey,

Welcome to POTN.

There are lots of discussions about "the market" here. Some of it is enlightening and informative.

You may choose not to engage in those discussions that bore you.

n1as wrote in post #4269936
I photographed a HS musical last night. For the first time since going from the Nikon D40 to the 40D, I miss my Nikon.

Don't get me wrong, the Canon is better in many ways. It focuses faster, has more control buttons & dials, RGB histogram, and the equivalent lenses are less costly, but there is one area where the Nikon just kicks butt.

Auto ISO.

Last night I really wanted the auto ISO function to pick an ISO between 800 and 1600 as needed to keep my shutter speed at or above 1/125. Many scenes were bright enough to comfortably shoot at ISO 800, some were dark enough to make ISO 1600 not quite enough. Fiddling with the ISO setting was a distraction but I didn't want to have the noise of ISO 1600 when it wasn't needed.

Yea, for the first time, I missed the Nikon. That will all change as soon as basketball season starts.

- Keith -

You are complaining that your SLR is not "automatic" enough. If you want the camera to make decisions for you, why not just buy a point and shoot. Then you don't have to worry about anything.
People buy SLR's so they can control the camera, not the other way around. When you look through the view finder it tells you the Shutter/Aperture. So it is your own fault for seeing the shutter speed too low and not bumping up the ISO, or just sticking with a higher ISO.
And for the record you will have less graining shots with the Canon at ISO1600 and even 3200 then you will on a nikon at ISO800

sigsegv0x0b wrote in post #4283808
Everyone is already aware of the Market... there is no need to be more aware of it then "already aware"

On the contrary, it's very obvious that some people only know Canon. This is a specific discussion about a Canon vs a Nikon for a newcomer.

The suggestion that Nikon can't be mentioned here makes no sense whatsoever.

mikep00 wrote in post #4283945
You are complaining that your SLR is not "automatic" enough. If you want the camera to make decisions for you, why not just buy a point and shoot.

No he complained that his SLR was to STUPID to do what it was asked for via it's controls. Also point and shoot is NOT a bad thing. The job of SLR is not be manual but to offer MORE potential to take better photographs not to differentiate what is cool and what is not. His camera failed at that task at that time.

Asking camera for aperture of F5.6 and exposure time of 1/200 should make the camera do anything within it's power to give you that exposure including varying the ISO. In a DSLR style photography ISO is just another exposure time control and the camera should have a way to automate it.

Or the camera can be smarter and have an Auto ISO mode that would be useful in shutter and aperture modes. While in Auto ISO mode bump that ISO up to give you a good exposure nonetheless (or lower it). Kind of what you expect from your camera.

That's entirely true and more so reason Canon needs Auto ISO.

What really irks me is when people thing Automation is somehow bad and bring the SLR closer to P&S and P&S is uncool....

I do not agree. Automation is excellent the more the better. The only diff between an SLR and P&S is that you should BE ABLE TO turn that automation off and over-ride it when needed. Sometimes automation does not understand your intent and you should be able to explain to your camera in more 'MANUAL' terms what you want from it.

mikep00 wrote in post #4283945
People buy SLR's so they can control the camera, not the other way around. When you look through the view finder it tells you the Shutter/Aperture. So it is your own fault for seeing the shutter speed too low and not bumping up the ISO, or just sticking with a higher ISO.

Mike,

Go back and read post 37, and post 43 and a few more.

Attitudes like yours are narrow-minded and unhelpful. Shoot theatre once before coming off like such a know-it-all. See if you can get 600 properly exposed shots of 80 kids spread out over an unevenly lit stage through a hundred light changes in two hours, in M mode.

I have a 40D and have been experimenting with the Auto ISO feature. I have found uses for this feature, though I would like to see improvements to the implementation. For example: I like being able to use Auto ISO in conjunction with Manual mode. This allows me to choose the proper aperture for the desired DOF plus I can also set the shutter speed to minimize subject motion blur. In certain situations, I wouldn't mind the ISO level shifting a bit, but I would like the ability to specify a range of acceptable ISOs. I may want a range of 100-400 if I'm placing a high priority on maximum image quality. However, I may also want a range of 400-1600 if I can live with a little more noise in exchange for better action stopping exposures.

Riff Raff wrote in post #4271305
I have no idea why you guys are arguing about this, it seems as obvious as Tv or Av mode in the digital world. As long as the camera supports changing ISO in 1/3 stop increments (which my Rebel XTi does not), I can't see anything bad about it. Now that ISO is shown in viewfinders, it would just flash the ISO at 50 if your shutter and aperture settings are too bright or flash it at 3200 if they're too dark. It's an easy feature, and if anyone doesn't like it they don't need to use it. Much like some shun Tv and Av modes already, in favor of M.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!
With my 30D, sometime I wish I have some direct control of the ISO, like a dedicated dial or something so I can use it more effectively. Given that I'm not a professional, I'd like a reminder of some sort to tell me that the ISO is set so high that it doesn't need to be. For example in a wedding situation, when I was shooting Manual in house with ISO set to 1000, and then run real fast outside trying to get to a good position to capture the couple leaving the church and forgot that the light has suddenly changed and that I not only have to change the shutter and aperture, but also that hidden ISO setting. Again, I'm not a pro at all yet. So if the ISO is somewhere visible or better yet, it could sense that it doesn't need to be so high, then I could get a very nice picture without the unneccessary noise.

Also, like someone already mentioned, if it can be enable/disabled then what's the harm it could do?

mikep00 wrote in post #4283945
You are complaining that your SLR is not "automatic" enough. If you want the camera to make decisions for you, why not just buy a point and shoot. Then you don't have to worry about anything.
People buy SLR's so they can control the camera, not the other way around. When you look through the view finder it tells you the Shutter/Aperture. So it is your own fault for seeing the shutter speed too low and not bumping up the ISO, or just sticking with a higher ISO.
And for the record you will have less graining shots with the Canon at ISO1600 and even 3200 then you will on a nikon at ISO800

Like Curtis said, go back and read all the replies thus far before piping up about something that has already been covered. Many examples of why your argument holds no merit have been covered. They are all very valid points, but I'll add another one just because I can and it has not been mentioned yet...

So, since you obviously only shoot in M(anual) and NEVER shoot in any other mode (because any other mode includes some form of automation which you are so much against). I ask if you ever shoot in multi-mode, rapid fire, where you hold the shutter button down and it fires as fast as it is able? Yes? Shame on you for using yet another form of automation. Turn that dial back to one shot and just manual keep pressing the shutter button as fast as you are able. What? You can't seem to push it 10 times a second? That's too bad, maybe with a little practice...

matthew blake wrote in post #4271009
and its not hard to switch aperture or shutter speed on the fly either so why bother having Av and Tv modes? i don't understand why people have such an opposition to auto iso. we have auto aperture (Tv), and we have auto shutter (Av) modes, i think its silly that there's no customizable auto iso function and sillier that so many people don't see the value in it simply because nikons have it.

Amen! a bunch of canon wankers