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Noise: it is better to raise ISO than to underexpose

 
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Nov 21, 2007 17:57 |  #1

I wondered what would be better for the signal to noise ratio (i.e. visible noise in the image) if the shooting conditions do not allow us to expose more our shot using aperture nor shutter speed. For example, in very dark indoor pictures like in a church (an old European church I should say), a concert, night photography without tripod,...

To test this I have done the following tests over this scene, ranging all possible ISO values my camera (350D) has:

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Shot at T=1/4, f/13, 50mm

PLEASE NOTE: that shutter speed and aperture were the same for all of them, I just changed the ISO. Of course I balanced exposure in the RAW development to be able to compare the final noise in the shots face to face. The RAW development was done using DCRAW, with absolutely no noise reduction nor unsharp options.


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ISO100 vs ISO1600
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Improvement is so clear that noise manages to alter the general tone (colour) in the darkest areas.

The improvement is higher the darker the areas are. So in the darkest shadows the gap from ISO100 to ISO200 is clearly larger than from any other couple of ISO values. The improvement gets less noticeably once we have reached consiredably high ISO values (we can see differente between ISO800 and ISO1600 is much less than from ISO100 to ISO200).

Conclusion: it is always better (at least with my Canon 350D) to expose to the right, even if we have to use high ISO values to achieve that. So high ISO values are preferred than image underexposure to improve noise at given aperture/shutter speed values.

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Nov 21, 2007 17:59 |  #2

_GUI_ wrote in post #4361418 (external link)
Conclusion: it is always better (at least with my Canon 350D) to expose to the right, even if we have to use high ISO values to achieve that. So high ISO values are preferred than image underexposure to improve noise at given aperture/shutter speed values.

That, and it saves time. I don't wanna sit there and re-compensate in software just because I was too stubborn to raise the ISO in-camera, even if the results are/were identical.


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Nov 21, 2007 19:19 |  #3

excuse my stupidity, but I'm assuming that you boosted the exposure in the low-ISO images in order to have the same "exposure" for all the images ... why is that noise SO bad?

I've never seen anything remotely like that when I boost the exposure of under-exposed ISO 100 or 200 images from my 20D :(




  
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Nov 21, 2007 20:01 |  #4

Pushing an ISO 100 shot to ISO 1600 equivalent is a 4 stop increase. The exposure at ISO 100 would have to be almost black ;).

What you are seeing is the difference between the efficiency of analog amplification versus software amplification. Once unity gain (1 photon equates to one DN) is reached analog amplification doesn't really gain you anything over software "amplification".

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Nov 22, 2007 04:15 |  #5

E-K wrote in post #4362155 (external link)
Pushing an ISO 100 shot to ISO 1600 equivalent is a 4 stop increase. The exposure at ISO 100 would have to be almost black ;).

What you are seeing is the difference between the efficiency of analog amplification versus software amplification. Once unity gain (1 photon equates to one DN) is reached analog amplification doesn't really gain you anything over software "amplification".

I couldn't have explained it better.


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Nov 22, 2007 04:35 |  #6

is it me or do I see more noise at ISO 100 then 1600 in the examples?


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Nov 22, 2007 06:26 |  #7

ItsMike wrote in post #4364182 (external link)
is it me or do I see more noise at ISO 100 then 1600 in the examples?

Conclusion: high ISO values are preferred than image underexposure to improve noise at given aperture/shutter speed values.


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Nov 22, 2007 06:31 |  #8

Nice example. It's a lesson for people not to be afraid of pushing up the ISO when faced with exposure problems. A well exposed high ISO shot will give you less noise than a dark, under exposed shot at a lower ISO.


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Nov 22, 2007 07:32 |  #9

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