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Nov 21, 2007 18:56 |  #1

hello POTN,

A friend just asked me if I could shoot a few family photos in the next coming days. I usually shoot more photos on the automotive side of the spectrum, so I'm not that we'll prepped for shooting a family.

Before I go any further, here is my gear list: XTi, 430ex, Sigma 17-70, Tokina 12-24, Canon 50mm 1.8, and a Carl Zeiss 135mm (manual focus).

I was told that the family would be anywhere from 6-7 people. So far, I have read a few threads on here, mainly pictures in the People forum, but those were taken by mostly well seasoned photogs.

What I've gathered so far is to have the family color coordinate their colors, and try to keep it solid if possible. Other than that, I have no clue what else I should keep in mind or be on the lookout for when shooting a big family.

I know I will most likely need to use my 430ex as a fill flash, but should I have it diffused with a bounce card, or should i shoot it straight on since were going to be outside? Which lenses should I be using?

I need to get all the last minute info I can get! Thank you guys soo much in advance for any tips you can offer me :)

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Nov 21, 2007 19:20 |  #2

Learned the hard way - and others here with more experience will add / override this, but FWIW

-Get light up into the eyes; flash = yes even outdoors
-Do not shoot in harsh daylight (if you can avoid it)
-Watch your background clutter; if you don't, you'll end up removing it by hand
- Watch your foreground clutter (photo 1 below; a real error)
-Don't allow black and white in the same group, if you can avoid it
-Focal length - fill the frame, shoot at a sharp aperture, get close enough for the flash to fill effectively (see: fill flash on POTN)
-Tip from Scott Kelby's book -- Have them close their eyes, tell them to open when you count to three, count to three, pause, shoot. (That actually works)
- Goal is to get all eyes open, get a good exposure in the field. Can't imagine zero PP.

One of these tips requires some explanation (or it would have for me) -- Background clutter includes things which "grow out of the subject" visually, like the picture frame at center and what happens to be the paying client's head; foreground clutter is just a setup error on our part (inexperienced):

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Other clutter includes this red truck, at right:
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Here they are removed.
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Note the difference in framing with a crop as well vs. the above work step.

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A note on post-processing, which may help you. In these shots we had an aperture set up for capturing a sharp shot front-to-back on the subjects. In post-processing, we adjusted background for blur, and were selective about sharpening and dodge/burn, with masks.

As you can see, we did not control what they were wearing. That was a problem with the black/white same photo. (The family selected it prior to our arrival, but another NOOB error.)

As I said, FWIW, and it is probably worth what you just paid for it. Yet, I hope it helps you.

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EDIT: Before we go to do another outdoor shoot, we'll have a couple of inexpensive reflectors to use for lighting the subjects. Consider that as a possibility.

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Nov 21, 2007 19:42 |  #3

On PP and lighting, this may help.

This is the indoor shot right from the camera.

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vs. the shot they purchased, final:
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Here, we should have had a couple of flashes on stands to the sides; if you need an excuse to get stands and more flashes, this is it. For information on how to do that properly, I'm absolutely not a source, all I know is my lighting was wrong here, and it cost me in PP, left me with the darkened eyes to deal with as well.

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Nov 21, 2007 19:46 |  #4

hortonsl62 - thank you so much :) i will keep all that info in my head hopefully :P the picture examples are verry helpful!

im kinda worried that i only have a single 430ex right now, will it light up 6-7 people? if its outdoors do you recommend me using a bounce card?

i cannot purchase anything else to add to my list since the shoot is in the next two days. i will have to make do with what i've got ;(


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Nov 21, 2007 19:49 |  #5

Bouncing we did indoors; that's right off the ceiling (another error, no light up in the eyes) -- Next time, if I must go with one flash, I'll pop on one of those Gary Fong lightspheres (http://www.garyfong.co​m/ (external link))

Bouncing outdoors I do not think will be helpful. You need the light up in their faces; I have a 430ex as well.

We shot on an overcast day outdoors (got lucky, honestly) no flash.

I just added the EXIF as well for you.


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Nov 22, 2007 11:30 |  #6

would a step ladder / stool be helpful?


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Nov 23, 2007 23:40 |  #7

...well, how did it go?


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Nov 24, 2007 01:09 |  #8

pretty well i guess :) thanks for all your help hortons, i will post a few samples tomorrow!

the family was very pleased! we ended up shooting indoors.

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Nov 24, 2007 20:49 |  #9

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heres one, im about to create a thread in the people forum to get critique.

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Nov 24, 2007 22:09 |  #10

^^ GREAT!


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