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Jul 06, 2008 13:40 |  #2341

horrgakx wrote in post #5859381 (external link)
I think the point was that you shouldn't need to make manual adjustments. I think I need to understand why we (might) need to make these manual micro adjustments and why the technology hasn't overcome this. A good point perhaps!!!

And we didn't use to have to pre-MkIII :) Maybe we were just more naive.

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Jul 06, 2008 14:09 |  #2342

horrgakx wrote in post #5859381 (external link)
I think the point was that you shouldn't need to make manual adjustments. I think I need to understand why we (might) need to make these manual micro adjustments and why the technology hasn't overcome this. A good point perhaps!!!

Of course I understand the point perfectly, my counterpoint was that you read never ending threads on BF and FF problems and people sending in there lenses for adjustment. This was one way for folks who plop down $4-8K for a pro body to handle it themselves...Not a bad feature...
As I stated, could it be improved?.....Yes, but advances in technology happen in steps. Heck, this is a brand new feature, give them some time to make it better:)


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Jul 06, 2008 14:27 |  #2343

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Of course I understand the point perfectly, my counterpoint was that you read never ending threads on BF and FF problems and people sending in there lenses for adjustment. This was one way for folks who plop down $4-8K for a pro body to handle it themselves...Not a bad feature...
As I stated, could it be improved?.....Yes, but advances in technology happen in steps. Heck, this is a brand new feature, give them some time to make it better:)

True, but the point is that if you have a lens that is BF or FF then it needs adjusting, it may not work correctly on your other bodies.


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Jul 06, 2008 14:53 |  #2344

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True, but the point is that if you have a lens that is BF or FF then it needs adjusting, it may not work correctly on your other bodies.

That's certainly true.

But my point, actually, is that with today's technology, the kind of lens adjustment that typically needs to be made in order to fix a backfocusing or frontfocusing problem is entirely unnecessary and can easily be overcome with a bit of programming. The necessity for such adjustments should be limited to compatibility with older bodies only.

I'd even go so far as to argue that even older bodies, such as the 20D, should have enough horsepower to handle a firmware update that takes care of this issue properly, but that assumes that the change I have in mind can be accomplished with firmware only. It depends entirely on how much of the autofocus system is run from firmware and how much is hardcoded in the circuitry of the autofocus system.

A good description of how the autofocus system works is here: http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic2/2415​24 (external link). In it, they say:

When you half-press the shutter release (or the * button, if you've used the custom function to move focusing control there), the activated AF sensor "looks" at the image projected by the lens from two different directions (each line of pixels in the array looks from the opposite direction of the other) and identifies the phase difference of the light from each direction. In one "look," it calculates the distance and direction the lens must be moved to cancel the phase differences. It then commands the lens to move the appropriate distance and direction and stops. It does not "hunt" for a best focus, nor does it take a second look after the lens has moved (it is an "open loop" system).

Closing the loop should be straightforward: perform a second check of the autofocus sensor. The image is in focus if it detects no phase difference after the initial focus operation, but if a difference is detected, simply command the lens to move again by the amount now dictated by the current autofocus sensor reading. Repeat until focus has been achieved.


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Jul 06, 2008 16:07 as a reply to  @ kcbrown's post |  #2345

Well hell, "anywhere within the DOF", and I've been wondering why I can't see my childs hair at 80 yards with a 300 f/2.8 at 100% when I focus on his face.

"Anywhere within DOF" is a pretty broad area and would explain a terrible keeper rate, it ain't all user error as I have thought. :eek: :mad: :evil:


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Jul 06, 2008 20:23 |  #2346

horrgakx wrote in post #5859381 (external link)
I think the point was that you shouldn't need to make manual adjustments. I think I need to understand why we (might) need to make these manual micro adjustments and why the technology hasn't overcome this. A good point perhaps!!!

I did see in a video that a use for it would be so that when taking a portrait shot you could focus on the persons nose and the "backfocus" would then compensate and have the eye in focus.
Stupid use of it really as you could just focus on the eye, but hey ho each to their own.


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Jul 07, 2008 21:45 |  #2347

Well, for all of you that have kept up: I sent a second letter to Canon's president on Saturday, I think. I got a call from a Canon rep this afternoon, to tell me that they are exchanging my Mark III. There is already a shipping label on the way, and once I can prove that the old body has shipped, they will send me a new (hopefully, but probably refurbished) body...Too bad this process has been close to a year!




  
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Jul 07, 2008 21:52 |  #2348

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Well, for all of you that have kept up: I sent a second letter to Canon's president on Saturday, I think. I got a call from a Canon rep this afternoon, to tell me that they are exchanging my Mark III. There is already a shipping label on the way, and once I can prove that the old body has shipped, they will send me a new (hopefully, but probably refurbished) body...Too bad this process has been close to a year!

Congratulations, you have more patience than me! It ended up costing me at least $1500 + a year of mental anguish and a few friends here on the board...


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Jul 08, 2008 03:29 as a reply to  @ post 5433326 |  #2349

Greetings,
So, it is safe to buy a 1DIII now without such focusing issue? I wish to trade up my 5D soon. Enjoy...


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Jul 08, 2008 10:38 |  #2350

Well, for all of you that have kept up: I sent a second letter to Canon's president on Saturday, I think. I got a call from a Canon rep this afternoon, to tell me that they are exchanging my Mark III. There is already a shipping label on the way, and once I can prove that the old body has shipped, they will send me a new (hopefully, probably refurbished) body...Too bad this process has been close to a year!




  
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Jul 08, 2008 11:57 |  #2351

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So, it is safe to buy a 1DIII now without such focusing issue? I wish to trade up my 5D soon. Enjoy...

That's what I did. I'd have a hard time living without this MkIII now. But, I kept my 5D. I still like it as a second body. It's still a great camera.


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Jul 08, 2008 12:00 |  #2352

George Chew wrote in post #5870410 (external link)
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So, it is safe to buy a 1DIII now without such focusing issue? I wish to trade up my 5D soon. Enjoy...

i THINK so but if something does go wrong rembember Canon dont have the greatest in sorting things out Post above .
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Jul 08, 2008 21:12 |  #2353

I just saw this and don't know if it will be of interest to anyone. There will be another Rob Galbraith update later this month.

An update to this article, one that talks about the EOS-1D Mark III's AF performance with the latest firmware installed, is coming later in July. Work on this update is ongoing, but we can't commit to an exact publication date just yet. It will cover both the EOS-1D Mark III and its higher-resolution sibling the EOS-1Ds Mark III.

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Jul 08, 2008 21:38 |  #2354

Thanks, I've been eagerly awaiting that and notice that he says it will also cover the 1DS which I'm going to be even more interested in .... not that I'm having any issues at all with mine.


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Jul 08, 2008 21:54 |  #2355

Yeah, I though the 1Ds reference was interesting because A) we wants it precious, and B) I've not seen much talk about any systemic problems. So...I'm betting it's being used as a reference body...something that preforms "well" to set the expectation for the repaired 1D3.


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