night club photos (NWS)

Hey guys...PLEASE HELP ME! I have posted two pics here for you to comment on, I know that they are crap!:o I need advice on what I should do to hopefully improve. I would love to be able to one day take photos like you guys have all posted here. Your shots all look awesome.
I shot these with my 40D, 24-70L, 430EX hand-held, in P mode on the dial (Program). The lighting kinda sucks in this club and I can't do much about that. I can use my flash as much as I want there. Also I now know that I shouldnt shoot in Program mode so I wont, Ive been trying to use Manual mode alot more. Anyway, take a peek at them and give me your 2 cents worth. EXIF date is there.
Thanks a million for your help........

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P mode makes for bad low light photos... Read everything here and take our tips

Okay, I will read more, and thank you so much. Just out of curiousity though, what would be a good starting point for my camera settings to start off with in this situation? f/4, shutter speed 1/60, ISO 400......?

you pics have a lot of nothing going no in the void space. The 1st picture doesn't have a dominate subject or convey any meaning. The 2nd would be better if it was cropped a bit more toward the girl and the guy on the lower right hand corner. I'd say bump the ISO to 640-800 for shots like these.

JBaz wrote in post #6229097
you pics have a lot of nothing going no in the void space. The 1st picture doesn't have a dominate subject or convey any meaning. The 2nd would be better if it was cropped a bit more toward the girl and the guy on the lower right hand corner. I'd say bump the ISO to 640-800 for shots like these.

Thanks for your advice. To be honest in these photos I was just pointing and shooting at nothing in particular just because I wanted to see how they would come out as far as exposure. Then for the next time I could try something different. Thanks again.

BKGInc wrote in post #6229043
Okay, I will read more, and thank you so much. Just out of curiousity though, what would be a good starting point for my camera settings to start off with in this situation? f/4, shutter speed 1/60, ISO 400......?

its so hard to just give you a random setting mainly because every venue is different. but read up on dragging the shutter, that is your first step.

JBaz wrote in post #6229097
you pics have a lot of nothing going no in the void space. The 1st picture doesn't have a dominate subject or convey any meaning. The 2nd would be better if it was cropped a bit more toward the girl and the guy on the lower right hand corner. I'd say bump the ISO to 640-800 for shots like these.

BTW.these were at ISO 800. Maybe its just crappy because I shot in Program?

If I'm shooting with my 430ex, I'd just shoot at ISO800, f/4 and at 1/5-1/40 shutter speed. Also depends on how dark the room is. But then again, I also have the ghost busters and I could be shooting at ISO100 f/11 at 1/125.

Would you recommend using AI Servo, and Center point focus also?

The way I started learning how to drag the shutter was to set the camera ISO to 800, and put it in P-mode. LOOK AT THE SETTINGS and remember the Aperture setting. Next drop the shutter speed down a half or more to suit. (if it was 1/60th, go 1/20th or slower)

***and play with it from there***
and like Turbo says go through the thread and read. Start at pg.1...by the time you get to 75, you should be straight! lol

Here's my one from this past weekend at the club.
(It was a pretty good set, but I really liked this one...might even put it on some business card I getting made up.)
Whaddaya think?

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y0y0 . long time since i post in here

neyways, here's some picsof affew english girls that passed on the club afew days ago.... ~they were pretty nice, too bad they were on the run to catch a plane.

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BKGInc wrote in post #6228971
Hey guys...PLEASE HELP ME! I have posted two pics here for you to comment on, I know that they are crap!:o I need advice on what I should do to hopefully improve. I would love to be able to one day take photos like you guys have all posted here. Your shots all look awesome.
I shot these with my 40D, 24-70L, 430EX hand-held, in P mode on the dial (Program). The lighting kinda sucks in this club and I can't do much about that. I can use my flash as much as I want there. Also I now know that I shouldnt shoot in Program mode so I wont, Ive been trying to use Manual mode alot more. Anyway, take a peek at them and give me your 2 cents worth. EXIF date is there.
Thanks a million for your help........

Looks like Crawdaddy's........am I right?

Enfektious wrote in post #6230194
Looks like Crawdaddy's........am I right?

You got that right! So you've been there.....pretty cool huh?

turbodude wrote in post #6228986
P mode makes for bad low light photos... Read everything here and take our tips

Also I should have mentioned that I was bouncing the flash off of the ceiling. Do you think it would help if I faced it forward directly? I use a Stofen, or a Gary Fong. I have both.