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Mar 27, 2008 21:55 |  #9706

the_incubus wrote in post #5206499 (external link)
you were way to liberal with that dodge tool. You can visibly see where you dodged.


Heres the deal man. You bought a dSLR. played with it a little. Didnt like what came out of it. Bought two of the greatest zoom lenses. Still what cam out wasnt very good. What crucial step is missing? The learning part. Yes learning consists of going out and playing with the camera trying new things but you also need to learn some of the key parts to photography in order to not get P&S type shots. I have only 3 lenses one of which is one of canons worst lenses. I still havent bought a nice L lens because i use the lenses i have until my skill is developed enough for expensive glass to matter (now im jsut saving up the dough). The important thing is that you can make great shots with the lenses you had and you can make crappy shots with the Ls. The most important thing is your knowledge and ability. Take a look at the Talk about photography section, start looking in the photo-sharing sections (especially people, performing arts and wedding because i feel there will be the most how-to info in those places). It essential to learn the science and techniques behind photography, you cant just go out and be good without learning. Try googling info about photography that could really help. You have the worlds biggest library at your fingertips, utilize it. Also check these out-

http://www.amazon.com …an-Peterson/dp/0817437126 (external link)

http://www.amazon.co.u​k …did=0AZT5PSKT7Q​16BNDD8C1& (external link)

In addition to these books go to the bookstore, find the photography section and just pick up a book and start reading it. You may find it to be useless or the book may be really interesting and full of great information. Go through a few of them. You may be skeptical but i find i learn something new every time i do this. (go when you know you have time to kill, nothings worse than sitting in a bookstore knowing youre missing out hanging with your friends or something really fun :D)

Hope i helped steer you in the right direction.

K, I'll try.

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Please undertand I was working with a quick edit from a small JPEG. You have the RAW files, you do something with it. I was just showing you an example of something you could do to improve the shot you already took. After all, you can polish a turd all you want but it's still a turd. And sorry, this wasn't the most successful shoot but it gave you a lot to learn from. Try again, mess up again, learn more, repeat. It's how you learn. Don't be offended as we are all just trying to help. :)

I know, it's just that my damn expectations are too high (and I haven't shot anything all winter)


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Mar 27, 2008 21:56 |  #9707

the_incubus wrote in post #5206499 (external link)
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you were way to liberal with that dodge tool. You can visibly see where you dodged.


Heres the deal man. You bought a dSLR. played with it a little. Didnt like what came out of it. Bought two of the greatest zoom lenses. Still what cam out wasnt very good. What crucial step is missing? The learning part. Yes learning consists of going out and playing with the camera trying new things but you also need to learn some of the key parts to photography in order to not get P&S type shots. I have only 3 lenses one of which is one of canons worst lenses. I still havent bought a nice L lens because i use the lenses i have until my skill is developed enough for expensive glass to matter (now im jsut saving up the dough). The important thing is that you can make great shots with the lenses you had and you can make crappy shots with the Ls. The most important thing is your knowledge and ability. Take a look at the Talk about photography section, start looking in the photo-sharing sections (especially people, performing arts and wedding because i feel there will be the most how-to info in those places). It essential to learn the science and techniques behind photography, you cant just go out and be good without learning. Try googling info about photography that could really help. You have the worlds biggest library at your fingertips, utilize it. Also check these out-

http://www.amazon.com …an-Peterson/dp/0817437126 (external link)

http://www.amazon.co.u​k …did=0AZT5PSKT7Q​16BNDD8C1& (external link)

In addition to these books go to the bookstore, find the photography section and just pick up a book and start reading it. You may find it to be useless or the book may be really interesting and full of great information. Go through a few of them. You may be skeptical but i find i learn something new every time i do this. (go when you know you have time to kill, nothings worse than sitting in a bookstore knowing youre missing out hanging with your friends or something really fun :D)

Hope i helped steer you in the right direction.

This says just about what I was going to say. It takes a lot of time behind a camera to learn and adapt to different situations. I am currently going to the best art institute IMO in the country. I have been super lucky to have instructors that work in various fields of photography, from fine art, to food, to commercial, to portraiture and wedding to photojournalism.

This has been a rough critique for you Chris, but as Tiff stated, it is hard to change something that just doesnt work in the first place.

Consider this a speed bump. Settle back down for a little bit. Grab a book and read. The understanding exposure book is great. Practice from there. Keep posting shots. Feedback is important.


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Mar 27, 2008 21:58 |  #9708

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I know, it's just that my damn expectations are too high (and I haven't shot anything all winter)

That just about says it as well. I know you're excited to get out and shoot and get some nice keepers but it takes time.


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Mar 27, 2008 22:05 |  #9709

And kitten, be happy that it was us here who did the critiquing. If you had posted in the people thread others may not have been so nice.


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Mar 27, 2008 22:06 |  #9710

Remember your friends will be brutal, post your pics in the People section and they will be kinder.

Also you have about 30 shots on your new glass, your keeper rate might be 1 in 30. Take your time we are rushing you for results, the weather is getting nice and you can really get out and play.

Don't let US get to you, we're on your side. ;)




  
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Mar 27, 2008 22:07 |  #9711

WOW UNCANNY!




  
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Mar 27, 2008 22:13 |  #9712

FuryMe wrote in post #5206749 (external link)
Remember your friends will be brutal, post your pics in the People section and they will be kinder.

Also you have about 30 shots on your new glass, your keeper rate might be 1 in 30. Take your time we are rushing you for results, the weather is getting nice and you can really get out and play.

Don't let US get to you, we're on your side. ;)

yes thats another thing. everything out of the camera isnt gonna be a good shot. Sometimes i go out and shoot 200 pictures and come back with a few dozen ok pictures and one or two really nice ones.

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WOW UNCANNY!

haha thats pretty funny


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Mar 27, 2008 22:14 |  #9713

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K, I'll try.

ok, thanks.


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Mar 27, 2008 23:26 |  #9714

Goodnight friends! See ya tomorrow.


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Mar 27, 2008 23:28 as a reply to  @ the_incubus's post |  #9715

sevillafox wrote in post #5206729 (external link)
And kitten, be happy that it was us here who did the critiquing. If you had posted in the people thread others may not have been so nice.

You call THAT nice?

FuryMe wrote in post #5206749 (external link)
Remember your friends will be brutal, post your pics in the People section and they will be kinder.

Also you have about 30 shots on your new glass, your keeper rate might be 1 in 30. Take your time we are rushing you for results, the weather is getting nice and you can really get out and play.

Don't let US get to you, we're on your side. ;)

I'll try not to let you get to me. You might be on my side but I'm still not sending my glass to you to be "inspected" :p


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Mar 28, 2008 04:55 |  #9716

Oh Man! I was totally gonna inspect that glass to make sure it wasn't defective??? :)

Good morning all!


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Mar 28, 2008 05:59 |  #9717

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You call THAT nice?

damn i knew he was gonna be offended. :cool:


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Mar 28, 2008 07:12 |  #9718

OK Kitten, Here is some more C&C for you!

I thought all of those pics looked steller! you should buy more L glass! great shots Here is a breakdown of the pics:
(I couldn't help it after all your bellyaching last night that you didn't get good feedback)

1. Excellent lighting! you did a great job of exposing the flash, and the fact taht you can see so much of the background will make it so that 100 years from now people will be able to see that trees used to grow in the back yard!

2. this one is great! the fact that you really can't see the subject adds to the mystery of it. and seeing just a sliver of the window on the right really draws on that mysteriousness of this shot.

3. this is a great shot as a camo add! you should consider offering to sell it to the army! of course there is a little flaw in this one! you really should clone out that orange tip. that is a dead givaway that the gun is a 2nd. The tree growing out of his head really makes him blend in with the environment.

4. again great camo shot! you could have used more branches though.

*** Set number two ***

1. you got a catchlight in his eyes, maybe you should clone that out. you were almost there on the background, it is still a littl oof. all good shots like these should have very visible BG so that you can see the persons surroundings!

2. there you go! great job on the DOF! you can see the dead grass in the BG that is much better, and the puddle underneath him... :lol: just classic!

3. this one could use a bit more light on HIS left arm, actually you could have exposed it a stop or two more, so that he gets that nice creamy bright skin. again great job with the dead grass!

4. and here you go back to the shallower DOF! why oh why do you do this? it ruins the ability to see the background!!! what if someone wants to identify the trees? this kind of shot really ruins it for folks. this one could also have more camo in it. he really does stick out too much! maybe back up more so that he is lost in the trees. I dunno try it and see.

That is all I have to say about your snapshots.


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Mar 28, 2008 07:41 |  #9719

PiRho wrote in post #5208538 (external link)
OK Kitten, Here is some more C&C for you!

I thought all of those pics looked steller! you should buy more L glass! great shots Here is a breakdown of the pics:
(I couldn't help it after all your bellyaching last night that you didn't get good feedback)

1. Excellent lighting! you did a great job of exposing the flash, and the fact taht you can see so much of the background will make it so that 100 years from now people will be able to see that trees used to grow in the back yard!

2. this one is great! the fact that you really can't see the subject adds to the mystery of it. and seeing just a sliver of the window on the right really draws on that mysteriousness of this shot.

3. this is a great shot as a camo add! you should consider offering to sell it to the army! of course there is a little flaw in this one! you really should clone out that orange tip. that is a dead givaway that the gun is a 2nd. The tree growing out of his head really makes him blend in with the environment.

4. again great camo shot! you could have used more branches though.

*** Set number two ***

1. you got a catchlight in his eyes, maybe you should clone that out. you were almost there on the background, it is still a littl oof. all good shots like these should have very visible BG so that you can see the persons surroundings!

2. there you go! great job on the DOF! you can see the dead grass in the BG that is much better, and the puddle underneath him... :lol: just classic!

3. this one could use a bit more light on HIS left arm, actually you could have exposed it a stop or two more, so that he gets that nice creamy bright skin. again great job with the dead grass!

4. and here you go back to the shallower DOF! why oh why do you do this? it ruins the ability to see the background!!! what if someone wants to identify the trees? this kind of shot really ruins it for folks. this one could also have more camo in it. he really does stick out too much! maybe back up more so that he is lost in the trees. I dunno try it and see.

That is all I have to say about your snapshots.

LOL

Well that was pretty cruel...you win!

:D


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Mar 28, 2008 07:46 |  #9720

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LOL

Well that was pretty cruel...you win!

:D

Here Kitty kitty kitty kitty!!!


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