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Dec 18, 2007 07:46 |  #16

Take a look at the Photomatix tutorial here: http://www.hdrsoft.com​/resources/tut0_win/pa​rt1.html (external link)

In this case you'd drop the normal (middle) exposure so the difference between the remaining two exposures will be 4 stops.

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Nice. Excuse my ignorance, but how can you get +4 stops using a 40d? My exposure compensation only goes to 2. Do I have to do it manually with a mental calculation of the exposure time?


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Dec 18, 2007 13:29 |  #17

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12 clicks actually, each click is 1/3 of a stop.

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Dec 18, 2007 20:11 |  #18

FedkaTheConvict wrote in post #4526736 (external link)
Take a look at the Photomatix tutorial here: http://www.hdrsoft.com​/resources/tut0_win/pa​rt1.html (external link)

In this case you'd drop the normal (middle) exposure so the difference between the remaining two exposures will be 4 stops.

From what I understand this will not work. The first exposure is supposed to be normally exposed and the second is supposed to be 4 stops above. Your method would give one normally exposed shot, and one shot each of two stops below and two above. Correct me if I'm wrong. As far as I can see, the only way to get the normal + 4 stops above is manually with 12 clicks or a calculation. Too bad, because it will slow things down and make handholding a lot less likely option. I wish Canon would expand the exposure compensation options.

Edit: Just to clarify, my post was in response to _GUI_'s method in the post above my first post in this thread in which he outlines a method using no HDR specific tools, just Photoshop, layers and blending.




  
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Jan 17, 2008 17:51 |  #19

expatdude wrote in post #4531171 (external link)
Correct me if I'm wrong. As far as I can see, the only way to get the normal + 4 stops above is manually with 12 clicks or a calculation. Too bad, because it will slow things down and make handholding a lot less likely option. I wish Canon would expand the exposure compensation options.

No. You can use M mode and set aperture/shutter value so that the -2EV bracketed shot will correspond to the desired 0EV (i.e. maximum exposure without blowing info). This way the +2EV bracketed exposure will be our desired +4EV.
If you do that using mirror lockup and a remote shutter, the alignment between the image will be very accurate.

Moreover, in the new cameras such as the 40D, I have been told the Liveview mode allows to block the mirror up, so it will not move during the whole bracketing operation. That should yield even better alignment results.

I wish Canon would expand the bracketing range anyway for even higher DR scenes (0EV, +3EV, +6EV for instance). But for 0EV, +4EV we don't need to touch the camera.


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Jan 17, 2008 22:58 |  #20

I try with photoshop but its to confusing.I use PHOTOMATIX, AND I LOVE IT!




  
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Oct 05, 2008 07:49 |  #21

I wish Canon would expand the bracketing range anyway for even higher DR scenes (0EV, +3EV, +6EV for instance).

The 1D series goes to +/- 3. Also, the old 1D Classic, with it's CCD sensor makes some really excellent images for HDR Photomatix, which is what I ended up buying after trying all the others.


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Oct 05, 2008 13:13 |  #22

GUI, I read your site and explanations... me thinks you're a pretty smart cookie. What is your background, 'cuz you obviously like math?


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Oct 09, 2008 21:36 |  #23

Darvon wrote in post #6441789 (external link)
GUI, I read your site and explanations... me thinks you're a pretty smart cookie. What is your background, 'cuz you obviously like math?

I am a (retired :D:D:D) telecom engineer.

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Oct 27, 2008 03:53 |  #24

GUI- great results with your own method of hdr. Can you explain in laymen's terms exactly how you set the blending options please




  
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Nov 17, 2008 09:06 |  #25

robdridan wrote in post #6567917 (external link)
GUI- great results with your own method of hdr. Can you explain in laymen's terms exactly how you set the blending options please

There is not much to set, I most of the times let the blending threshold to 90% and apply some 4 or 5 px or progressive blending radius (usually I don't like to use the anti-ghosting, if there are moving elements in the scene I manually paint on the fusion map to force those areas to be taken from a single shot, avoiding ghosting keeping noise reduction optimum for the rest of the image).
I always use the Median method for exposure calculation (press the 'A' from Average that will turn into a 'M' of Median).

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Nov 18, 2008 01:27 as a reply to  @ _GUI_'s post |  #26

Hi, Photomatix.

but before you buy have a look at what results with it and Photoshop and how here

http://stuckincustoms.​com/2006/06/06/548/ (external link)


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Nov 18, 2008 14:37 |  #27

CS4 for me, but I seem to like doing things the hard way.


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Nov 23, 2008 14:15 |  #28

I belive using three images is typical, but will more frames always give you a better result?


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Nov 23, 2008 14:26 |  #29

In the new Photomatix version, 5 or 7, or even 9 seems to give smoother renders.


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Jan 01, 2009 11:59 |  #30

Phil Light wrote in post #6744482 (external link)
I belive using three images is typical, but will more frames always give you a better result?

Yes and no. In theory, if blending programs like Photomatix or the Photoshop's HDR were optimum, with 3 shots properly spaced we should have enough to properly capture 99% of high dynamic range scenes. In fact with just 2 shots 4 stops apart, a modest Canon 350D can capture with a very high quality scenes of up to 12 f-stops of real DR (read ZERO NOISE HDR VIRTUAL RAW (external link)).

The problem is that those programs normally fail to blend images if the difference in exposure is too high, that is why to yield good results they need more shots than really needed.
And more shots has the drawback of more effort and time to get them, more storage space, more processing time, and above all a loss of sharpness if they are not milimetrically aligned (which is common).

Find here a HDR scene captured used just 2 shots, 4 1/3 stops apart. Not Photomatix nor PS HDR managed to blend the RAW files properly, while a simple program I wrote (Zero Noise) did, and it even allowed manual anti-ghosting to avoid the artifacts of the moving character. In Photomatix and Photoshop HDR ghosting appeared:

IMAGE: http://www.guillermoluijk.com/tutorial/zeronoise/zn.jpg

IMAGE: http://www.guillermoluijk.com/tutorial/zeronoise/ps.jpg

IMAGE: http://www.guillermoluijk.com/tutorial/zeronoise/pm.jpg


It was a HDR of about 12 f-stops of real DR, where highlights and noiseless shadows could not be obtained in a single shot:

IMAGE: http://www.guillermoluijk.com/tutorial/zeronoise/comp.jpg


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