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Lord_Malone
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Dec 17, 2007 16:22 |  #1

Ever have anyone who's not into photography look at your stuff and go "WOW! Those are some amazing photographs! You should be a professional! (has an instant orgasm from seeing one of your duck shots)" or something along those lines? Then you say to yourself "Gee wiz. I think I'll post this shot on my favorite photography forum!" Only here your photo gets ripped apart on a technical level by your peers (or worse, no comment at all) and you're reduced to a quivering simpleton and crawl off to a corner to pray to the gods of digital imaging to have mercy on your soul as you drown in your own sorrow. Is our subjective critical eye suffering from sensory overload from viewing thousands of published and web based images? What separates the mediocre from the good? The good from the great? The great from the masterpieces? Let's hear your story.

Disclaimer: This is not intended to start a heated debate or flame war, but if one ensues then I'll have the popcorn ready.


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Dec 17, 2007 16:26 |  #2

I took a photo that I submitted to a Fred Miranda competition with the crummy 18-55 on my XT and people loved it. It wasn't even sharp!

I take nice, crisp photos so sharp you could cut yourself looking at it and people go ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz​zz..........

I don't get it :p


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Dec 17, 2007 16:31 |  #3

I've not had it happen (yet) on POTN but several years ago, the "Elves" actually selected one of my shots for Picture Of The Week at Photo.net

Man, I was on Cloud Nine and felt like I'd really accomplished something with my photography. That feeling lasted exactly as long as it took for the first person to post a critique. It got basically shredded...

You know those people who get some one on one time on PBS' "Antiques Roadshow" but come to find out from das experten that they spent $50,000 for a fake that isn't worth the cost of the gas they burned to get to the convention center at 3am?

That's about how I felt at the time...very, very 'umble...


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Dec 17, 2007 17:21 |  #4

rhys wrote in post #4522981 (external link)
I took a photo that I submitted to a Fred Miranda competition with the crummy 18-55 on my XT and people loved it. It wasn't even sharp!

I take nice, crisp photos so sharp you could cut yourself looking at it and people go ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz​zz..........

I don't get it :p

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. "Sharp photo" does not always equal interesting or moving or inspiring. The first response a person will have to a photograph is emotional. If the image doesn't touch them emotionally, it doesn't matter how sharp it is. And if a photo DOES touch someone emotionally, it doesn't matter how out of focus it is.

The techniques behind a photo matter in that it is via technique that we communicate emotion. But if the technique does not match the emotion you attempt to communicate, your photo will be less successful. And if you are unsure of what emotion you are trying to communicate, it will be more difficult for you to apply the appropriate technique in a way that supports the emotion.




  
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Dec 17, 2007 17:50 |  #5

That's one of the reason I don't post many pics on here, this forum is hyper critical of shots, so if i like the shot then it's good in my book. I post a picture of one of my ferrets on here and I don't get a comment, I post one on a ferret forum and they go nuts about how good it is. While I don't learn anything from the ferret forum, it sure makes me feel appreciated and sometimes some validation is all I want.


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Dec 17, 2007 18:00 |  #6

I think at the end of it, you have to be honest with yourself and be the toughest critique but also the biggest supporter.

You have to analyze the shot and see where you can improve and at the same time appreciate the emotional impact that a good shot has for you and on others.

Unless you can find the rewards for your work from within, relying on others to affirm your work is bound to end in failure.


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Dec 17, 2007 18:04 |  #7

rhys wrote in post #4522981 (external link)
I took a photo that I submitted to a Fred Miranda competition with the crummy 18-55 on my XT and people loved it. It wasn't even sharp!

I take nice, crisp photos so sharp you could cut yourself looking at it and people go ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz​zz..........

I don't get it :p

Same here... everyone loves my worse photos, and don't care for my best... So I just end up thinking they are lie-ing lol..
My worse photos are the ones that have gotten published o.O


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Dec 17, 2007 18:15 |  #8

I ususally don't like most ppls photo's... there's no emotional attachment... and in most cases I don't care what someone else thinks of mine... I care what i think. I don't like most of mine...
still no flames eh lord malone?


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Dec 17, 2007 18:18 |  #9

I know that a shot is good when it sells. ;)


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Dec 17, 2007 18:39 |  #10

I think most of us (photogs.) concentrate way too much on the technicalities & forget about the emotional impact. Those of us that make a good living with photography seem to reverse those priorities.


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Dec 17, 2007 18:40 |  #11

I don't share my photos because I don't know anyone with big enough boobs to get a positive response.


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Dec 17, 2007 18:42 |  #12

I entered a corporate photo comp. The entire floor said picture X was the best. It was a great shot and some pretty BAD other sohts were chosen for voting. The winning shot was mundane.

My time in the local club taught me to not give a rat's a$$ and move on.

So yeah, happens all the time Lordy. Happens to me whener I post in G&N!


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Dec 17, 2007 18:50 |  #13

Money talks, BS walks. Put your money where your mouth is. Until then my Wal Mart special can beat your 1D.


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Dec 17, 2007 18:56 |  #14

Lord M., great thread Starter.

I Personally like to apply a common saying, transformed into photgraphs.

"For every photograph you take, there are three. The photo image that others see, the photo that you see, and what the photo image really is".

I have asked myself the same question over and over during Photo Contests, peer pressure gives into me submitting a photo, and what other photogs think is great, gets turned down on the first round. I did once submit the same turned down photo to another Contest, and it got a Second Place, and it was purchased later by the owner of the Hosting Organization. So somehow it seems to be in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps different people have different tastes, different perceptions.

Can we define whether Spaguetti or Linguini is a better pasta? What about Gnocci? Depending on who you bring to the table, you will get different results. However, anyone of the three would agree that no pasta should be cooked in Bleach. Or using Sawdust instead of Parmegian cheese.

I guess my view is that different people like different styles, and that is ok. But we ought to be careful as to not say "sorry, your linguini is nothing like spaguetti, which is the best food in the world". (Apply that to photos, or artists, or styles).

We can however, do two things:

1- Express our Opinions: "Though I am a spaguetti man myself, I did (or did not) enjoy those gnoccies, however I can tell you did more than macrowave these. That is commendable".

2- Edify the Author: Do say ONLY IF we are sure we can help the Author make a better assessment of the situation "Yes, your cooking efforts are to be valued, however Bleach might not be the best agent to cook the pasta in. I would try some water, and once it boils, I would throw the pasta in. Then add any extra advice "If you put the water and the pasta at the same time, the end result will be soggy". As you can see, these are hardly matter of opinion. They are specific criticisms that can help without sink the hard working author.

And to finish, not every person posting here is an experienced photographer. We have lots of teenagers with cameras, and instead of helping foster a love for this art of photography, we seem to have fun and delight on ripping those photos appart. Sorry, 12tokid, your photo of Yosemite looks nothing like A.Adams version from 1967.

Nuff said. That's my two cents.


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Dec 17, 2007 19:00 |  #15

Lord_Malone wrote in post #4522944 (external link)
I think I'll post this shot on my favorite photography forum!" Only here your photo gets ripped apart on a technical level by your peers (or worse, no comment at all) and you're reduced to a quivering simpleton and crawl off to a corner to pray to the gods of digital imaging to have mercy on your soul as you drown in your own sorrow.

Disclaimer: This is not intended to start a heated debate or flame war, but if one ensues then I'll have the popcorn ready.

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What amazes me is how some people can spend an entire page tearing apart another person’s work on a technical basis but if you look for examples of their work there’s none to be found. Or even worse their work while technically perfect is the most boring and uninspiring stuff you've ever seen.


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