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Sep 10, 2004 12:39 |  #16

Well in that case Denmark is much cheaper. Without VAT the price in Denmark is $7076 ! The price from B&H is without sales tax.


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Sep 10, 2004 12:56 |  #17

Hi gcogger,

Just wondering, how did you arrive at the price without VAT. Did you multiply the 5,000 by the vat rate then deduct that amount from the 5,000. If that's the case then I think the calculation is not accurate (somebody help us with the math here).

Second, the exchange rate that you used is very different than the rate you & me get at the bank. The difference could be quite significant.




  
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Sep 10, 2004 13:04 |  #18

I'll sign your petition if you'll sign mine for free exportation of ale... I shouldn't have to pay more just because its an "import" either......

That is only fair. i think I would get the better part of the deal at that.....


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Sep 10, 2004 13:08 |  #19

aam1234 wrote:
Hi gcogger,

Just wondering, how did you arrive at the price without VAT. Did you multiply the 5,000 by the vat rate then deduct that amount from the 5,000. If that's the case then I think the calculation is not accurate (somebody help us with the math here).

Second, the exchange rate that you used is very different than the rate you & me get at the bank. The difference could be quite significant.

I didn't think his number was right either, but I'm not sure about the VAT. But if the VAT is 25% and the price with VAT included is 5,000 then the price before VAT is 4,000.

4,000 * 125% = 5,000.


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Sep 10, 2004 13:28 |  #20

Can someone tell me, do B&H prices include all vat etc?

I have used jessops as they are the biggest photographic supplier in the UK as are B&H in the USA.
Yes Parkcameras and other shops sell cheaper but the two shops I've used are the major shops.

B&H..........EOS-1DS DIGITAL SLR BODY ONLY..........$7,999.0​0 (£4,453.04)
Jessops....EOS-1DS DIGITAL SLR BODY ONLY..........£5,999.​90 ($10,778.81)

I've just done a check with kelkoo.se to find Swedish prices. It seems that Kr66,000 is an average price:
http://www.kelkoo.se …teSearchQuery=1​Ds&x=0&y=0 (external link)

The British price converts to Kr 79,933.57


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Sep 10, 2004 13:42 |  #21

aam1234 wrote:
Hi gcogger,

Just wondering, how did you arrive at the price without VAT. Did you multiply the 5,000 by the vat rate then deduct that amount from the 5,000. If that's the case then I think the calculation is not accurate (somebody help us with the math here).

Second, the exchange rate that you used is very different than the rate you & me get at the bank. The difference could be quite significant.

My VAT calculation was absolutely correct - I used a VAT value (for the UK) of 17.5%.
If £4255 is the price without VAT, try adding 17.5% to the £4255.
17.5% of 4255 = 745
4255 (base price) + 745 (VAT) = 5000 (selling price)

I can't think of a simpler way to prove this!

The exchange rate I used was the one the banks use when transferring money between currencies. Yes, you or I would get a less favourable rate, but it would be either above or below the Interbank rate depending on whether we wanted to convert £££ to $$$ or vice versa! So you could use that to show that my figures were either optimistic or pessimistic, depending on whether you brought a US camera to the UK, or a UK camera to the USA.

All in all, I think I've been fair. It might be interesting to work this out for other cameras - I suspect that the UK prices are a little higher in many cases.

All this changes, of course, as the exchange rate fluctuates and that makes me think the comparison is more complex than we are allowing for. Canon does not go from being a fair to a rip-off company in the UK as the £/$ exchange rate varies.


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Sep 10, 2004 13:44 |  #22

And the swedish price coresponds to the danish which is approx DKR 53.000,-


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Sep 10, 2004 13:48 |  #23

evilenglishman wrote:
Can someone tell me, do B&H prices include all vat etc?

I have used jessops as they are the biggest photographic supplier in the UK as are B&H in the USA.
Yes Parkcameras and other shops sell cheaper but the two shops I've used are the major shops.

We need an American to tell us whether B&H prices include any sales tax :)

I think that B&H in the US are a much more competitively priced company than Jessops are in the UK. If you really want to use Jessops, they will usually price match internet companies if you take a printout with you.

What we really need is the trade prices that Canon charges in the 2 countries, but I somehow think we won't get them :wink:


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Sep 10, 2004 13:53 |  #24

B&H prices don't include taxes. Non New York residents don't pay taxes when they buy from them.




  
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Sep 10, 2004 13:57 |  #25

gcogger wrote:
We need an American to tell us whether B&H prices include any sales tax

Why do You need an american to confirm that? I wrote in an earlier post that the price does not include VAT. You have to add 7% sales tax on the prices if You buy in the store. For online orders outside New York You don't pay sales tax.


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Sep 10, 2004 13:59 |  #26

aam1234 wrote:
B&H prices don't include taxes. Non New York residents don't pay taxes when they buy from them.

That only applies for orders that are sent out of New York. If You as a non New York resident buy in the store You still have to pay sales tax.


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Sep 10, 2004 14:06 |  #27

That's correct tommykjensen. But even if you pay NY sales tax (8.5% I believe) it's still wayyy cheaper than European (or my) prices.

I actually paid the NY tax for a lens and still it's half the cost than here.




  
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Sep 10, 2004 14:09 |  #28

aam1234 wrote:
That's correct tommykjensen. But even if you pay NY sales tax (8.5% I believe) it's still wayyy cheaper than European (or my) prices.

I actually paid the NY tax for a lens and still it's half the cost here.

Yes I can only agree on that and as I have posted in earlier threads on this subject on certain lenses I can save 50% if I buy it in New York - the cost I save can even pay for a weekend trip from Denmark to New York (this just applies for one or 2 specifc lenses!


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Sep 10, 2004 14:29 |  #29

tommykjensen wrote:
gcogger wrote:
We need an American to tell us whether B&H prices include any sales tax

Why do You need an american to confirm that? I wrote in an earlier post that the price does not include VAT. You have to add 7% sales tax on the prices if You buy in the store. For online orders outside New York You don't pay sales tax.

Oops - sorry. I missed that :oops:


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Sep 10, 2004 15:11 |  #30

I think the Swedish price also illustrates how we are being over-charged in the UK.

I lived in Sweden for quite a while and can honestly say that salaries are higher than the UK and the cost of living and products is higher than here.

So why is it that a 1Ds is £975 ($1750) more expensive in the UK?


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