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Dec 18, 2007 01:33 |  #1

I've taken a few water shots lately. Tonemapping seems to work pretty well on some of them.

What do you think?

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Dec 19, 2007 10:10 |  #2

I don't know what tone mapping is, but if this is it, I want to learn!!!. Nice pics.


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Dec 19, 2007 10:47 |  #3

I like the colours in the second, but it would be interesting to see the original to see what the tone mapping did.


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Dec 19, 2007 11:25 |  #4

Thanks for the comments.

I'll load up the originals in a bit.



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Dec 19, 2007 11:27 as a reply to  @ curiousgeorge's post |  #5

Here are the originals.

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Dec 19, 2007 11:42 as a reply to  @ T.D.'s post |  #6

Certainly looks to add to the vibrancy of the image, IMHO. That said, I think the fourth image (my favourite) is rather nice to begin with, although the tonemapping does enhance the scene.

Can I ask how you tone map from a single image please?

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Dec 19, 2007 11:51 |  #7

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Certainly looks to add to the vibrancy of the image, IMHO. That said, I think the fourth image (my favourite) is rather nice to begin with, although the tonemapping does enhance the scene.

Can I ask how you tone map from a single image please?

Thanks.

Thanks. I try to make my tonemapped images more subtle and less-obviously tonemapped.

Here's my process (I've just picked this up here and there, so it may not be the best process). For stationary subjects I do multiple exposures in the camera.

When the subject is not static, such as water, I start with one image (I use LR). I then adjust the exposure varying degrees. I usually either do several images at half stop increments or at 1/3 (When doing half stop, I start at -2, -1.5, -1.0 -.5, 0, +.5, +1, +1.5, +2. I don't have a science for determining which process to use. Usually, I think the 1/3 stop increment images turn out nicer, but not always.

I then export these to JPEG. I then use PhotoMatix (external link)to create an HDR image. From there I generate the tonemapped image within PhotoMatix. I adjust the controls until I find the image pleasing.

In addition, on the above shots, I adjusted the green and aqua channels up in LR quite a bit before creating the various exposures.

Again, I am no expert. But this process seems to work for me most of the time. I have had several "failures" as well. Sometimes the images look like crap after tonemapping. I haven't figured out why. I don't know if I'm just selecting poor images or if I'm goofing them up in the process. I'd be interested to hear thoughts on this.



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Dec 19, 2007 12:19 as a reply to  @ T.D.'s post |  #8

Many thanks for your explanation. For some reason, I assumed you were tone-mapping from a single image. Something I am trying to work out how to do.

I've been dabbling with HDR for a while now myself (using Photomatix) and as yourself, prefer to make images as natural as possible.


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Dec 19, 2007 12:20 |  #9

TobyR wrote in post #4534948 (external link)
Many thanks for your explanation. For some reason, I assumed you were tone-mapping from a single image. Something I am trying to work out how to do.

I've been dabbling with HDR for a while now myself (using Photomatix) and as yourself, prefer to make images as natural as possible.

There are some downloadable HDR pre-sets in LR that do okay. They're a little limited, but nice on certain images.



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Dec 19, 2007 13:47 |  #10

I read these instruction on a Flickr Forum regarding tonemapping from a single Jpeg.

You can see a sample of what I could get from a boring single jpeg file.

http://farm3.static.fl​ickr.com …18804413_9311b4​72a3_b.jpg (external link)

Open the Jpeg in PS
Duplicate the layer.
Image / adjustments / curves
Click on the mid point.
There are two values at the bottom of the tab
Keep the top one at 128
Change the bottom to 0
Save the jpeg as file1
Repeat steps, increasing bottom value by 64 - 0, 64, 128, 192. 255.
You will end up with 5 files.
Takes the files into Photoshop or Photomatrix and HDR process them.
I'm quite pleased with the results.




  
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Dec 19, 2007 14:39 |  #11

Thanks for posting the originals. I'm wondering if you could have achieved a better effect by just increasing contrast, saturation and bumping up the green/aqua channels.

The highlights in the modified version are more blown out than in the original, which I wouldn't expect if you've merged several exposures.


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Dec 19, 2007 14:52 |  #12

sanwin25 wrote in post #4535469 (external link)
I read these instruction on a Flickr Forum regarding tonemapping from a single Jpeg.

You can see a sample of what I could get from a boring single jpeg file.

http://farm3.static.fl​ickr.com …18804413_9311b4​72a3_b.jpg (external link)

Open the Jpeg in PS
Duplicate the layer.
Image / adjustments / curves
Click on the mid point.
There are two values at the bottom of the tab
Keep the top one at 128
Change the bottom to 0
Save the jpeg as file1
Repeat steps, increasing bottom value by 64 - 0, 64, 128, 192. 255.
You will end up with 5 files.
Takes the files into Photoshop or Photomatrix and HDR process them.
I'm quite pleased with the results.

I tried this in Photoshop and got the message 'There is insufficient dynamic range in these files to create a satisfactory HDR image' (or words to that effect).




  
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Dec 19, 2007 17:47 |  #13

TD, I like the look you've achieved but for me the third image doesn't work. The rest of them are good. :)


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Dec 20, 2007 00:49 |  #14

curiousgeorge wrote in post #4535772 (external link)
Thanks for posting the originals. I'm wondering if you could have achieved a better effect by just increasing contrast, saturation and bumping up the green/aqua channels.

The highlights in the modified version are more blown out than in the original, which I wouldn't expect if you've merged several exposures.

That's certainly 1 option. In fact, I did that in the originals. It didn't quite get the images to where I wanted them.

Roy Mathers wrote in post #4535883 (external link)
I tried this in Photoshop and got the message 'There is insufficient dynamic range in these files to create a satisfactory HDR image' (or words to that effect).

I've never seen that.

theague wrote in post #4536878 (external link)
TD, I like the look you've achieved but for me the third image doesn't work. The rest of them are good. :)


Thanks for the feedback! I appreciate it.



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Dec 20, 2007 19:16 |  #15

Roy Mathers wrote in post #4535883 (external link)
I tried this in Photoshop and got the message 'There is insufficient dynamic range in these files to create a satisfactory HDR image' (or words to that effect).

You need to remove the exif info from the images.


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