canon 14mm v nikon 14-24mm

What has the world come to? I was so surprised when I saw a comparison between the lenses at 14mm and the nikon is clearly better despite being a zoom lens.
Bad things happens to canon´s 1d mklll and now I see no joy in buying the 14mm since the nikon is so much better. I hope canon wakes up.
Is there any hope that canon will or can respond to a lens like nikon´s 14-24mm? Does nikon have a patent in their nano coating?
NIkon´s long lenses are now revised and I guess they are very good too with IS of 4 stops.
What do you think we can expect from canon reasonably soon and not years to come? All their long lenses are IS 2 stops. I hope at least they are working overtime. Heads must be rolling. What has really happened to canon?? How can a company lose sight like that? If nikon´s long lenses prove better than canon´s who will stay with canon? I wish Steve Jobs could take over as ceo.

Liu

Just because Nikon developed probably the best wide zoom in history does not mean that Canon's 14L is crap.

Mad? Switch. Do realize that you'll be paying a $1000 or more premium for those new long telephotos over the equivalent Canon.

Also, realize that competition goes back and forth. Canon was the top dog for a while, and Nikon has come storming back to take a lead in a lot of areas. In a year or two or three, or whenever, Canon will come storming back as well...back and forth, back and forth. Does your current gear work less because Nikon has a really good lens?

[QUOTE=Jman13;4539697]​Just because Nikon developed probably the best wide zoom in history does not mean that Canon's 14L is crap.

Mad? Switch. Do realize that you'll be paying a $1000 or more premium for those new long telephotos over the equivalent Canon.

Canon´s 14mm is not crap but when I se pictures from the Nikon zoom I think that the Canon 14mm is not very good comparatively.
Canon´s long lenses have been bettet than Nikon´s and cheaper. I mean that Canon does not have made much effort the last years to be inventive.
I am not mad, I just feel that Canon right now does not have the right leadership
I am waiting for Canon to catch up and I can wait but how long can pros wait?

Liu

What would you like Canon to wake up to? You don't think Nikon gave them competition before the D3 and 14-24? Both sides offer things the other one doesn't, Nikon might win at 14mm but Canon has their TS-E lenses and the MP-E. Nikon has a prosumer camera with a pro AF feature set (D300) and Canon offers you a full frame camera without having to buy into the pro line (5D). Neither side is perfect, and as technology goes they will probably just leapfrog each other over and over and over...

The nice thing is both sides are good enough that you can easily make great images with either system. Of course some people would rather look at MTF charts.

My knowlege of Canon wides has been that they are good, some great but not stellar. Whereas Nikons are generally better than the Canon equivalent. This could be urban legend but I find it interesting that this continues to be seen in various tests.
Canon has always been known for their tele lenses. Optically, they always came out on top from what I have seen.
IS is a rapidly developing technology and each new generation seems to boast more and more. From what I can see, Canon has not really revamped their IS on many of the lenses in quite a while whereas Nikon has done it pretty recently. A good example is the 100-400, how old is this lens and the IS??? I bet if Canon did a revision they would claim the 4+ stops Nikon does. And they probably would be stellar performers again.
I do think that since Canon has had the larger market share for quite a while that they have gotten lazy with innovations and upgrades. Hmmm, kind of like the US auto industry (sorry, I digressed). Nikon has made some major upgrades in a lot of their equipment. It is obvious where alot of the R+D money went. Maybe this recent Nikon boom will get Canon off their duffs and get some results out of the R+D money they spend. Even though I am happy with what equipment I have, it would be nice to have something worth upgrading too IMO.

This is why I have both. Why lock yourself down to only one brand. Lots of you all have multiple camera bodies - why not give yourself more flexibility. I buy multiple brands of lots of stuff, why would cameras be any different. Right now I shoot with a 1D mk IIN and a D300. I am selling my 20D, 10D and 1D Classic.

Croasdail wrote in post #4542779
This is why I have both. Why lock yourself down to only one brand. Lots of you all have multiple camera bodies - why not give yourself more flexibility. I buy multiple brands of lots of stuff, why would cameras be any different. Right now I shoot with a 1D mk IIN and a D300. I am selling my 20D, 10D and 1D Classic. .

expense would be one reason. also because most photographers can get on fine without having the best 14mm lens.

ed rader

"expense would be one reason."

Just as they can get by without a 5D, or a 24-105 L IS, or just about any other piece of hardware. And what is so freaking wrong with some who does want a 14mm. Just because you don't, that means no one else should? Some may do mostly landscapes. Are you also opposed to 10-22mm zooms?

...just ordered my 14 2.8 II, today, after hearing so many praises from users.......what is the real issue here...???....

Okay, damn it, here's a word from the peanut gallery:

The OP makes a bald faced statement. I realize I'm both a dope and blind, but did he/she post a link to any test? Has he shown us some pictures as proof?

I'm only a lowly schmuck with the old model of the 14L and it's a great lens. Do these people who do these supposed tests ever print their pics, or do they sit with their big schnozolas pinned to their glossy monitors studying every nook, cranny and pixel with a dime store/cracker jacks box magnifying glass?

I've made plenty of 17x24 prints taken with my 14L and they're damn good, if I do say so myself, and the new one is even better.

This constant comparison between Nikon bodies and Canon bodies, between Nikon glass and Canon glass is getting real old real fast.

Go take some pictures for goodness sake.

Oh, btw, just so you know I practice what I preach, here's a lousy example I took this evening, one of 700 pics I shot at a wrestling tournament. And this is at 13mm on the Sigma 12-24, another lens that gets knocked around quite a bit. And before you go saying, a ha, look at that vignetting, know that it is NOT that, but there is a ring light overhead that is not evenly illuminating the circle of people. And this was taken with the camera held over my head. 1DsMKIII.
me

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Oh, here's a quick grab at 12mm on the FF. You can see the ring light and how it is otherwise dark in the room.

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Ting_Liu wrote in post #4539683
What has the world come to? I was so surprised when I saw a comparison between the lenses at 14mm and the nikon is clearly better despite being a zoom lens.
Bad things happens to canon´s 1d mklll and now I see no joy in buying the 14mm since the nikon is so much better. I hope canon wakes up.
Is there any hope that canon will or can respond to a lens like nikon´s 14-24mm? Does nikon have a patent in their nano coating?
NIkon´s long lenses are now revised and I guess they are very good too with IS of 4 stops.
What do you think we can expect from canon reasonably soon and not years to come? All their long lenses are IS 2 stops. I hope at least they are working overtime. Heads must be rolling. What has really happened to canon?? How can a company lose sight like that? If nikon´s long lenses prove better than canon´s who will stay with canon? I wish Steve Jobs could take over as ceo.

Liu

My first question(s) would be this...

1. How often do you shoot at 14mm? I own a 10-22mm APS-C (16-35mm ep. and I rarely shoot this lens at 10mm. At least not enough to worry if someone else makes a better 10mm lens.

2. How good is that Nikon zoom outside of 14mm as well, for example at 24mm etc.

Also you can look at this another way, buying a Canon 14mm/2.8L + 5D is still a lot cheaper then buying a new Nikon D3 + 14-24mm AF-S if you can find them. Heck I'll bet with the money you save on the Canon gear you can still afford a 24-70/2.8L or 16-35mmL II if you are a wide fan.

But if you really, truely need the benefit the Nikon 14-24mm would provide for you, go for it IMO. Don't let loyalty to a particular brand hold you back.

I'd be more curious to see how the Canon 16-35L II stacks up next to the Nikon 14-24mm in the over lap of range. I used a buddies rented 16-35mmL II and was blown away by how sharp the lens was...hard to imagine the 14-24mm could go much beyound this, at least to the eye in real world prints.

OK...here is a link to the test. You judge for yourself. It's one thing if you don't need a 14-24mm lens...but it is another thing to say the quality out of this lens is not amazing.

http://www.16-9.net …4mm_1/nikon14_2​4mm_a.html

MrChad wrote in post #4543824
But if you really, truely need the benefit the Nikon 14-24mm would provide for you, go for it IMO. Don't let loyalty to a particular brand hold you back.

It will be interesting if that Nikon G -to- Canon adaptor that someone on FM is developing comes to fruition. A 14-24 mm zoom on a 5D would present quite a nice setup.

On the other hand, despite the good performance of my 16-35 II, I don't really use that lens as often as I might have expected. I've found that 24 mm (FF) is a respectable width in most situations. I would have to think very hard about spending a boatload of money to gain 2 mm of seldom-used width.

Hogloff wrote in post #4543895
OK...here is a link to the test. You judge for yourself. It's one thing if you don't need a 14-24mm lens...but it is another thing to say the quality out of this lens is not amazing.

http://www.16-9.net …4mm_1/nikon14_2​4mm_a.html

That test is also discussed in this thread here:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=422561

The 14-24 looks excellent. I'm not convinced that his copy of the new Canon 14/2.8 II is working right. I've seen several example shots that are much better.