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Jan 01, 2008 15:06 |  #1

Just curious. I was wondering if it makes much sense to have these two lenses. I have my working 'wish list' for lenses. I definately have the 35L on it. It is not leaving the list for anything either. Until recently I had the 17-40L on it as kind of a general purpose walk-around, landscape, street photography lens. Then I started looking at the 24L. It seems like such a nice lens. Sure, I would probably have to do a little more "foot zooming". But something tells me that by using the 24L I would be forced to think more about composition and I would probably achieve more of a signature "look". Plus it would be great indoors and other low-light scenarios. I know the 24L is in a different category than the 17-40L and I'm not really asking for a comparison between the 17-40L and the 24L. What I'm asking is that if it makes sense to have both of these wide angle L primes.


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Jan 01, 2008 15:14 |  #2

well i have the 35L and have contemplated the 24L, but went with the wide versatility of the 17-40 instead. If anything, I would like to try out the 14L


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Jan 01, 2008 15:18 |  #3

Would this be on the 40D?

I used the 35L on my 30D for a time and it makes an excellent normal perspective prime. Fast, sharp and extremely quick to focus, in a lot of ways it is better as a normal walkabout on a 30D/40D than the 50/1.4 is on a 5D.

The 24L on a 40D is going to behave like I tend to use my 35L now on the 5D. It's a great slightly wide angle for scene shots in parties, also a nice wide for landscapes where the angle is subtle and does not scream "WIDE" at you.

Of the two ranges, I tend to find the 35mm on XXd and 50mm on 5D more useful.


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Jan 01, 2008 15:22 |  #4

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Would this be on the 40D?

Yes. Sorry, didn't specifify that.


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Jan 01, 2008 15:23 as a reply to  @ ChucklesKY's post |  #5

I have both and I'm glad I do...

I have 5Ds but the 24 even more so for a 40D because it gives you about the smae FoV as a 35 on a 5D and thats the one lens I couldn't live without.




  
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Jan 01, 2008 15:40 |  #6

Hoaving these two lenses is like having the 50mm and 85mm. There's just too close in focal length, and I think you'll find that you use one more than the other.


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Jan 01, 2008 16:12 |  #7

ChucklesKY wrote in post #4609478 (external link)
Just curious. I was wondering if it makes much sense to have these two lenses. I have my working 'wish list' for lenses. I definately have the 35L on it. It is not leaving the list for anything either. Until recently I had the 17-40L on it as kind of a general purpose walk-around, landscape, street photography lens. Then I started looking at the 24L. It seems like such a nice lens. Sure, I would probably have to do a little more "foot zooming". But something tells me that by using the 24L I would be forced to think more about composition and I would probably achieve more of a signature "look". Plus it would be great indoors and other low-light scenarios. I know the 24L is in a different category than the 17-40L and I'm not really asking for a comparison between the 17-40L and the 24L. What I'm asking is that if it makes sense to have both of these wide angle L primes.

Sounds like you read the 24L review that was posted here a few days ago: :)

"Because I Shoot Wide and Focus Manually, November 15, 2007
Reviewer Terry Caroll from Oakland, California
Expertise: Street photographer since 1975
33 of 49 people found the following review helpful.
Review:
In this era of zoom lenses, let me speak to the virtues of a
dedicated focal length (and, specifically, a dedicated
wide-angle lens).

If you are planning on building a life-time body of work
that has a signature quality, avoid zoom lenses. They are
for lazy wafflers. They are for people who aren't after a
"look" but want the convenience of just standing there,
zooming in and out, in and out. And all the resulting
photos add up to mush.

I started out as a teenager in the 1970s with only a 24mm
lens (having read somewhere that it was W. Eugene Smith's
favorite focal length). All my pictures had a "style" to
them. There was a consistency to their look, and when I go
back through my archives I can immediately identify them as
"mine."

Then in my early thirties I finally got a modern auto-focus,
auto-everything, camera with a zoom lens. My pictures from
that era have no "look" to them. They are embarrassingly
pedestrian. I wasted a decade.

Then I switched back to wide angle, getting a couple of
different wide-angle zooms, and my pictures started getting
better, more consistent. But there was still a "zoomy-ness"
to them, plus those incorrectly auto-focused pictures!
Auto focus is the devil. No matter how hard lens and
camera manufacturers try to "anticipate" your focusing
needs, they invariably fail when you need them most. The
problem, though, is that zoom lenses have horrible manual
focus rings. They are useless afterthoughts --
narrow, balky, anti-ergonomic. Yuck!

But, FINALLY, at the age of 47, I returned to my roots and
got this fine, fine, super fine Canon EF 24! Oh, My God!!!
To have a focus ring that is big and smooth and totally
dedicated! To focus at, say, a side subject three feet away
while quickly composing the background, without doing that
stupid back-and-forth trot that auto-focusers are always
performing ... it is sublime. And this lens in particular
is a stunner. Its 1.4 aperture is dreamy when narrow focus
is needed or when low light requires it, and its 6.9-inch
minimum focus is ... well, it's like nothing I've ever had
in a wide-angle lens, and I'm still getting used to not
having short-distance limits.

So, I just got back from three weeks in Buenos Aires,
finally really putting it to the test for the first time
since buying it
earlier this year. Mounted on my equally magnificent 5D
(Thank You, Canon!), it was the only lens I took. And I
worked the streets. And instead of a missed focus rate in
the several percentage point range, I had maybe a half dozen
out of nearly 2000 shots. And all my images have that
"look," that signature style that I established for myself
more than thirty years ago, and which is now back in full form!

The 24 is not for everyone. (During my wide-angle zoom
years, I must admit I came to like a tad less angle in my
wide.) But pick a focal length. Set your zoom to various
lengths and get to know them. Find the one that best suits
your style, your needs, your "look." Then buy a dedicated
focal length lens with a good focus ring and start building
a catalog of images that have a discernible identity, a
signature perspective.

And then, congratulations on not wasting another decade with
zoom-lens auto-focus mush!"

With the 24L and 35L, you're looking at close to $3000 in lenses in search of a "signature look". That's a pretty big investment to see if they'll work for you. My guess is that you have a couple of zooms already...if so, why not set them at 24mm and force yourself to shoot at only that focal length? This way, you'll be able to tell if that will suit your signature without putting put out a lot of bucks first.


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Jan 01, 2008 16:21 |  #8

argyle wrote in post #4609845 (external link)
Sounds like you read the 24L review that was posted here a few days ago: :)

"Because I Shoot Wide and Focus Manually, November 15, 2007
Reviewer Terry Caroll from Oakland, California
Expertise: Street photographer since 1975
33 of 49 people found the following review helpful.
Review:
In this era of zoom lenses, let me speak to the virtues of a
dedicated focal length (and, specifically, a dedicated
wide-angle lens).

If you are planning on building a life-time body of work
that has a signature quality, avoid zoom lenses. They are
for lazy wafflers. They are for people who aren't after a
"look" but want the convenience of just standing there,
zooming in and out, in and out. And all the resulting
photos add up to mush.

I started out as a teenager in the 1970s with only a 24mm
lens (having read somewhere that it was W. Eugene Smith's
favorite focal length). All my pictures had a "style" to
them. There was a consistency to their look, and when I go
back through my archives I can immediately identify them as
"mine."

Then in my early thirties I finally got a modern auto-focus,
auto-everything, camera with a zoom lens. My pictures from
that era have no "look" to them. They are embarrassingly
pedestrian. I wasted a decade.

Then I switched back to wide angle, getting a couple of
different wide-angle zooms, and my pictures started getting
better, more consistent. But there was still a "zoomy-ness"
to them, plus those incorrectly auto-focused pictures!
Auto focus is the devil. No matter how hard lens and
camera manufacturers try to "anticipate" your focusing
needs, they invariably fail when you need them most. The
problem, though, is that zoom lenses have horrible manual
focus rings. They are useless afterthoughts --
narrow, balky, anti-ergonomic. Yuck!

But, FINALLY, at the age of 47, I returned to my roots and
got this fine, fine, super fine Canon EF 24! Oh, My God!!!
To have a focus ring that is big and smooth and totally
dedicated! To focus at, say, a side subject three feet away
while quickly composing the background, without doing that
stupid back-and-forth trot that auto-focusers are always
performing ... it is sublime. And this lens in particular
is a stunner. Its 1.4 aperture is dreamy when narrow focus
is needed or when low light requires it, and its 6.9-inch
minimum focus is ... well, it's like nothing I've ever had
in a wide-angle lens, and I'm still getting used to not
having short-distance limits.

So, I just got back from three weeks in Buenos Aires,
finally really putting it to the test for the first time
since buying it
earlier this year. Mounted on my equally magnificent 5D
(Thank You, Canon!), it was the only lens I took. And I
worked the streets. And instead of a missed focus rate in
the several percentage point range, I had maybe a half dozen
out of nearly 2000 shots. And all my images have that
"look," that signature style that I established for myself
more than thirty years ago, and which is now back in full form!

The 24 is not for everyone. (During my wide-angle zoom
years, I must admit I came to like a tad less angle in my
wide.) But pick a focal length. Set your zoom to various
lengths and get to know them. Find the one that best suits
your style, your needs, your "look." Then buy a dedicated
focal length lens with a good focus ring and start building
a catalog of images that have a discernible identity, a
signature perspective.

And then, congratulations on not wasting another decade with
zoom-lens auto-focus mush!"

With the 24L and 35L, you're looking at close to $3000 in lenses in search of a "signature look". That's a pretty big investment to see if they'll work for you. My guess is that you have a couple of zooms already...if so, why not set them at 24mm and force yourself to shoot at only that focal length? This way, you'll be able to tell if that will suit your signature without putting put out a lot of bucks first.

Well, yeah. But I was thinking of the 24L before reading that review. That's why I read it in the first place. I don't agree with much of that. But the part about the "foot zooming" and achieving the "look" did get me thinking.

You know what I would like to see? I would like to see side-by-side photos; one shot with a 24L and the other with a 35L on a crop-sensor camera. Same subject of course.


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Jan 01, 2008 16:24 |  #9

argyle wrote in post #4609845 (external link)
Sounds like you read the 24L review that was posted here a few days ago: :)

That's exactly what I thought when I read the OP. Made me roll my eyes. Kinda like this: :rolleyes:. Except mine don't go so far up in my head.


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Jan 01, 2008 16:46 as a reply to  @ cdifoto's post |  #10

this post got me thinking of either 24 or 35L as well lol .. im thinking of selling the 70-200L since I dont use it much. great lens and i love it but for most of the shooting i do, i havent had much use for it. plus ive been wanting a wider prime. i think im leaning towards the 24L though (77mm filter is also a big plus since most of my filters are 77mm)

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Jan 01, 2008 16:54 |  #11

Just buy both...


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Jan 01, 2008 16:57 as a reply to  @ sgamuk's post |  #12

I own three lenses. The 24L, 35L and 85L and two 5Ds. Its all I need.




  
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Jan 01, 2008 18:43 |  #13

IMO it makes sense, The area of view of a 24 mm is exactly twice that of a 35 mm. This is why we had these steps in lenses in the first place, prior to zooms.

I have written about this here :). If you want to I could look it up :).

Ideally you would have 17-24-35-50-70-100 (or 105)-140 (or 135)-200 etc., steps of 1.4X the previous FL, or 15 (or 14)-21 (or 20)-28 (or 29)-42 (or 45)-56 (or 55, 56, 58 )-85 (or 90)-110 (or 105)-170 (or 180)-220 (or 210, 240)-340 (or350) etc.
Actual FLs are slightly different, and some people prefer 1.7X steps, or even 2X steps, which is also possible if you select from these lens ranges, by alternating between the two.
The first lens range was derived from the 50 mm as standard lens for a FF slr, the second from the true standard FL, namely 42 mm.

For APS-C that should be slightly different IOW, although 28 mm is very close to the true standard FL for APS-C, and 30 mm to the 50 mm equivalent.

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Jan 01, 2008 19:16 |  #14

If you're like me, I still want primes and the convenience of zooms in my arsenal. I would say go for for both if you can aquire these great primes.




  
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Jan 01, 2008 19:32 |  #15

sgamuk wrote in post #4610066 (external link)
Buy both if you can afford it. 24L is next on my list...

jdizzle wrote:
If you're like me, I still want primes and the convenience of zooms in my arsenal. I would say go for for both if you can aquire these great primes.

Sounds like great advice.

Wow wimg! That is an excellent perspective that I had never known before. Thanks for sharing. I had no idea the FOV would be twice that of the 35mm on a 24mm. One of my concerns was that the two lenses wouldn't have any noticeable difference in perspective, FOV. I would really like to see a side-by-side photo shot with a 24mm and a 35mm now.

The 35L is next on my list and has been for quite a while. Now I'm beginning to think the 24L may be second. I had considered an 85mm but the 24L may edge it out.


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