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Jan 02, 2008 15:59 |  #1

For a umbrella/speedlite combination would you go with a smaller (33") or with a bigger umbrella (43")?


  
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Jan 02, 2008 17:47 |  #2

It doesn't matter. Bigger is usually better, but for Speedlites, they aren't big enough to matter. Get whatever is cheaper.


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Jan 02, 2008 17:58 |  #3

Chad McCan wrote in post #4617596 (external link)
It doesn't matter. Bigger is usually better, but for Speedlites, they aren't big enough to matter. Get whatever is cheaper.

not big enough??? Can you please explain it?


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Jan 02, 2008 18:32 |  #4

I don't understand what he means either. I got some 43", and I heard that anything above 43"-45" is overkill.


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Jan 02, 2008 19:58 |  #5

I use 43" umbrellas too.


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Jan 02, 2008 20:39 |  #6

Sorry about that, I meant they ARE both big enough that the difference won't matter.


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Jan 02, 2008 20:44 as a reply to  @ Chad McCan's post |  #7

I am using a 43" combo (trans, silver, black) with my 580EX II. I really like it.


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Jan 02, 2008 20:51 as a reply to  @ salexande867's post |  #8

I read that the smaller size is fine for one person but you want 42 or bigger for more than one person...I'm just learning about off camera lighting myself but I read that on strobist.


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Jan 03, 2008 00:44 |  #9

How about a 60"? Can it cover a group?


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Jan 03, 2008 04:43 |  #10

One problem with the 60" is that you can't raise it high enough befor it hits the 8' ceiling.


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Jan 03, 2008 07:41 as a reply to  @ Lotto's post |  #11

I bought 45" Westcotts that seem to work great. I had some smaller (30" or so) ones as well. Both work but I like the larger ones. When you work on the Lighting 102 stuff you will see how larger apparent size of your light source is better. If you buy larger umbrellas and need the apparent size to be smaller you can move them back from your subject. You can only get so close with a smaller umbrella though.


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Jan 03, 2008 08:43 |  #12

Thanks guys. Which umbrella make would you recommend regarding durability? Does a little more expensive one make sense from a quality point of view?


  
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Jan 03, 2008 08:51 |  #13

Stephan. wrote in post #4621273 (external link)
Thanks guys. Which umbrella make would you recommend regarding durability? Does a little more expensive one make sense from a quality point of view?

You definitely want a decent quality. The Westcotts that I bought are rather nicely built. You might opt for the collapsible ones David recommends on the Strobist site. They are a 43" unit with a removable black cover but they will fold up and fit in a Domke F-2 so they are easily stored and transportable.


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Jan 03, 2008 09:39 as a reply to  @ In2Photos's post |  #14

The Westcott 43" are good and they're $20.00 from B&H. I reccomend purchasing from there as some companies have their logos on the umbrellas as well.

As far as size, the Bigger the umbrella, the bigger the lightsource becomes, but the more power is needed because of the power of the light lost to diffusion.

A 30" umbrella may be able to light one subject @ 8 feet @ 1/16 flash power, while a 43" may need 1/4 @ 8 feet. However, the 43" will create a larger light source and will be capable of lighting a larger area and creating a softer light. Those definitely aren't exact numbers, but just a general idea.


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Jan 03, 2008 17:40 |  #15

Which one is the best for an EX580 as a portrait light source, silver, gold, white, w/black cover?


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