RIP, Tatiana

Tee Why wrote in post #4633046
Yep, something sounds fishy. My gut feeling tells me that she was taunted and reacted like any cornered tiger being harassed would do.

Not necessarily. When I see a big juicy burger, I eat it. It doesn't have to taunt me first.

Tee Why wrote in post #4733209
The tiger died defending itself and had no choice in this matter.

Bull****. A tiger doesn't have to defend itself against any human.

There was apparently alcohol and marijuana involved. The kids entered the pen, stood on a wall, and taunted Tatiana from the edge of the moat.

The kid who died had a BAC of twice the legal driving limit as well as cannabis in his system.

bonefish wrote in post #4734060
Is it sad that a young man was killed, yes was he a victim no.

Yes, he was a victim. He was a victim of a tiger attack. Cause irrelevant. Tiger big, human small. Human killed, human victim. A human can (theoretically) jump all over a tiger, grab it, ride it, whatever and it won't hurt the tiger. It's a big strong animal. Teasing a tiger doesn't even come close to hurting it. The tiger wasn't defending itself against a taunting human. The tiger was going after food which had drawn attention to itself. Tigers don't see "na na na na boo boo!" from a human. They don't feel hurt and don't think they need to get revenge. They just see something tasty.

cdifoto wrote in post #4736269
Yes, he was a victim. He was a victim of a tiger attack. Cause irrelevant. Tiger big, human small. Human killed, human victim. A human can (theoretically) jump all over a tiger, grab it, ride it, whatever and it won't hurt the tiger. It's a big strong animal. Teasing a tiger doesn't even come close to hurting it. The tiger wasn't defending itself against a taunting human. The tiger was going after food which had drawn attention to itself. Tigers don't see "na na na na boo boo!" from a human. They don't feel hurt and don't think they need to get revenge. They just see something tasty.

I heard reports of slingshots being in their possession. Dunno if that's true, but pissing off or hurting a tiger by hitting it with projectiles does change things a little bit from "arm waving" to "directly provocation."

In either case, the kids made a bunch of very, very poor decisions that led directly to the unfortunate death of one of them.

Thanks for the updates guys. I'm also sorry a human died - but after acting like that they were asking to end up in the Darwin Awards. that was one seriously rare, endangered wild animal there , and now there is one less. Worse than that, the progeny of a breeding female are lost forever. People who can't respect wild creatures for what they are, are incomprehensible to me. They are not fluffy toys and their actions are unpredictable at the best of times. Tease a cat, get scratched, tease a tiger, get minced. It's a question of scale...

I think most of us can think back to stupid decisions and actions made when much younger, and I can certainly remember situations that I was lucky to emerge intact from. But I was taught from a young age to respect animals, also to despise gratuitous cruelty.

I would wonder though, that these people were in a position to do what they did, and ultimately the zoo needs to look long and hard at how they are protecting their animals from the public. I appreciate the need for zoos to help to preserve endangered species, while feeling uneasy about the ethics of locking these animals up, however nice the cages. This situtation was the worst possible outcome for the animal and the people involved.

It turns out that all of you were correct, she was taunted by the lowlifes she attacked. Hate that anyone died but actions always have and still do have consequences. Too bad she had to pay the price for their stupidity.

erthpro wrote in post #4738743
It turns out that all of you were correct, she was taunted by the lowlifes she attacked. Hate that anyone died but actions always have and still do have consequences. Too bad she had to pay the price for their stupidity.

Erthpro, you bite your tongue! You didn't know this kid! I'm 21 and yea, I've gotten drunk before... I personally don't smoke, but I know many people that do! You gonna call them lowlifes?

The direction that this thread has gone in is ABSOLUTELY ridiculous! I can't believe you are talking s#$t about the kid that died. Lowlife??? Really?? C'mon man, choose your words a little better than that. I'm surprised some of you haven't come straight out and said, Sure I'd trade a human life to get the tigers life back! But then again, the threads not closed yet, so I'll just wait and see.

It is true that not everyone appreciates or respects animals like they should be respected, some cases more severe than others, but does this deserve the penalty of death? HAHA NO, not even close.

Certainly not saying that the "children" deserved what they got, just that their inappropriate behavior seems to have been a large contributing factor to the death of the child and the cat. Hope this is more politically correct.

DallasPhoto wrote in post #4748762
. I'm surprised some of you haven't come straight out and said, Sure I'd trade a human life to get the tigers life back!

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I think some people already have, but used different words.

People absolutely have the right to do as they please BUT they are not entitled to a free pass on the back end if it all goes wrong. They suffered the direct consequence of their actions. How would you all feel if these three had climbed a tree and the tiger instead mauled someone's infant or toddler?

DallasPhoto wrote in post #4748762
Erthpro, you bite your tongue! You didn't know this kid! I'm 21 and yea, I've gotten drunk before... I personally don't smoke, but I know many people that do! You gonna call them lowlifes?

If they get drunk and high and jump into wild animal pens at the zoo for a bit of fun, then, yes, they're certainly lowlifes.

Hello! You provoke a carnivore simply by being constructed of flesh and bones. If the animal is killed to prevent further injury to death to bystanders I can understand it but I'll never understand why a "wild" animal which is supposed to be confined to a cage or enclosure and has killed a person because the enclosure failed or the person entered the cage should be sentenced to death. It doesn't bring the person back or undo any other damage done during the event.

Most zoo enclosures are designed to allow good viewing while preventing a child or sane adult from accidentally entering the animal area. Anyone entering an animal enclosure is subject to the consequences. In the case of an animal that escapes it's cage, the people who designed, built, maintain and operate the enclosure are more responsible than the animal who would have done no damage if it hadn't gotten out.

Ok I think the discussion man vs animal has gone on long enough.

Lets get back to commenting the photo instead.

jonnythan wrote in post #4752815
If they get drunk and high and jump into wild animal pens at the zoo for a bit of fun, then, yes, they're certainly lowlifes.

Sorry, I've said all I could and obviously I'm not talking any sense into you guys! ^^^That is such an ignorant comment