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40D to FF, which one? 1Ds, 1Ds mkII, or 5D

 
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Jan 12, 2008 21:27 |  #1

Did a search, but I don't think anyone's done this kind of comparison.

For my "wide" shots, I am seriously considering going full-frame. In addition, both my 24-105 and 70-200 are weather-sealed, making the 1-series attractive because the combination is fully weather-sealed.

Money is always a factor. I don't want to break the bank! I have about $5k invested in my gear (sig) and don't want to spend a ton on a second body. Love my 40D, but like I said, weather-sealing and easier "wide" options are what's driving me to a potential full-frame.

Factoring in cost and image quality, what do you consider the best price/performance option?


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Jan 12, 2008 21:28 |  #2

5D.

You wont get weather sealing. But its best bang for buck. Generally held to be best IQ out there below 5000 bucks!


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Jan 12, 2008 21:36 |  #3

Some of the 1D series camera bodies that aren't full-frame, but 1.3x crop factors are a great balence between wide-ness and price.
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-The 5D isn't weather-sealed, but one of the cheapest full-frames
-The 1Ds MkI is weather-sealed, but can be a bit noisy at higher ISOs, is more expensive, and has a much smaller buffer rate and capacity.
-The 1Ds MkII is even more expensive but for the price is one of the best full-frame canon bodies.

I'm inclined to suggest a 5D + grip (what I'm getting) since it's one of the best deals


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Jan 12, 2008 21:45 |  #4

Canon EF-S 10-22;).


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Jan 12, 2008 21:49 |  #5

runninmann wrote in post #4690918 (external link)
Canon EF-S 10-22;).

nice cheapest-est method x]


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Jan 12, 2008 21:50 |  #6

djeuch wrote in post #4690850 (external link)
Factoring in cost and image quality, what do you consider the best price/performance option?

If you had just stated this, I would have said the 5D. But since you also mentioned weather sealing, that throws a wrinkle into the decision making. How important is weather sealing for you?


  
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Jan 12, 2008 21:52 |  #7

runninmann wrote in post #4690918 (external link)
Canon EF-S 10-22;).

Yeah, yeah - considering that too, but there are some advantages to two bodies, like a 5D or 1Ds with a 17-40L (or even 14L or Sigma 12-24!) lens attached


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Jan 12, 2008 21:53 |  #8

statsman wrote in post #4690950 (external link)
If you had just stated this, I would have said the 5D. But since you also mentioned weather sealing, that throws a wrinkle into the decision making. How important is weather sealing for you?

I carry a gallon ziploc bag with silica in it as a "just in case". I'd rather not worry about rain, especially when I've got two weather-sealed lenses that I know are fine, but put a price on it? Not sure. Ask me after I fry my first non-weather-sealed camera in the rain. :)


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Jan 12, 2008 21:54 |  #9

statsman wrote in post #4690950 (external link)
If you had just stated this, I would have said the 5D.

How is IQ between the 5D, 1Ds and 1DsII? I really have no idea.


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Jan 12, 2008 22:23 as a reply to  @ djeuch's post |  #10

How "wet" are you planning on getting?

Weathersealing test conducted by me on the 5D (not planned)

Leave out on front door steep over night with 24-105 attached, pours down with rain camera gets drenched. Get up in morning to find your camera out side covered in water :o

Place on tripod upside down with warm air blowing on it for 8 hrs...then turn on camera and carry on :lol:

Points to note: Dont press anything if wet. As that will let water "into" the body.

The 1D is more "weathersealed"


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Jan 12, 2008 22:31 as a reply to  @ weka2000's post |  #11

Avoid the 1Ds MkI unless you get one for under a grand, the biggest goat is the buffer, the speed of displaying images (not that it should matter, but admit it...it does) and the biggest problem of all, the battery consumption. CCD's are just not as power friendly as CMOS chips seem to be.
I would suggest either a 1Ds MkII, which you can start to find relatively inexpensively, or pick up a used 1D MkIIn or even a new MkIII. I have used all 3 in the rain and snow with no problems, and trust me, you don't want to be worrying about the rain while on assignment. Also, the MkIII fitted with a 17-40 is wide enough for 95% of my day to day work.
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Jan 12, 2008 22:36 |  #12

Only consider the 1Ds if you are using it occasionally for specific task,. and if it can be had for significantly less than a 5D.

Otherwise a 5D is a no brainer IMHO.


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Jan 12, 2008 22:41 |  #13

Great information! Ok, so the 1Ds mkI is out. I really want to have comparable wide to a 1.6x crop and 10-22, so I would need FF with a 16/17mm starting point. If I need wider, I can stitch my 40D images. :)


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Jan 12, 2008 23:11 as a reply to  @ djeuch's post |  #14

Yeah, go for 5D:).Rumour being said that there'd be a replacement for 5D , unless you're willing to wait for that, 5D is worth value for money and most of all fits your budget.




  
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Jan 12, 2008 23:33 |  #15

I'd go with the 5D (in fact, I did). It's a great price right now, and even if a successor is released, it will be considerably more expensive when it's first released, and you'll need to wait even longer to get any sort of a deal.


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