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Sep 23, 2004 14:39 |  #1

This might be a stupid question, but here I go anyway. I have a Digital Rebel and a 35-80mm Canon Lense(kit lense on the rebel 2000 2 years ago.). I shoot sports for my high school and notice that most of the shots come out soft, like the AF is just a hair off. My question is if I purchase the 70-200 f4L will autofocusing become slightly more accurate? And will this help my softness problem?




  
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Sep 23, 2004 14:45 |  #2

what ISO are you shooting at, are you shooting with a flash, if so which one?

Are you sure it is a focus issue, or a shutter speed problem. Can you post some of the pics?



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Sep 23, 2004 16:29 |  #3

Also, if you are new to digital slr's coming from film....
The digital cameras produce images that are soft from the camera.
Most film users are surprised by this. However, this is "normal" as digital sensors have an antialiasing filter over them. The sharpness is easily recovered...
Just open the images in an editing program like Photoshop, and apply some Unsharp Mask (USM) to sharpen the image. Or get a sharpening action.

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Sep 23, 2004 16:53 |  #4

Here are some sample images:

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ISO = 400
Shutter Speed = >1/1000 sec.
F= 5.6



  
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Sep 23, 2004 19:27 |  #5

Try changing the f/stop to 8.0 , it really helps with the kit lens for the rebel, might as well try it with that lens too.


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Sep 24, 2004 00:56 |  #6

How are the results with other lenses? Contrary to what most people "believe" even the 35-80 is capable of much better results. I have seen acceptably sharp 5x7's coming from the junky 28-90 kit lens.




  
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Sep 24, 2004 10:41 |  #7

I just downloaded you images and ran them through Focus Magic.

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Your images are not "soft" they are motion blured. Cleaned up they look really nice. I beleive you should probably shoot with shutter priority instead of Av. Try setting the shutter spead at least 250-350 and let the apurture fall where it must. If you shoot RAW you can recover the exposure with PS or elements.


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Sep 24, 2004 12:52 |  #8

but they are shot at Greater than 1/1000 of a second. ?




  
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Sep 24, 2004 13:12 |  #9

The first image isn't bad at all.
I just increased the gamma, and fixed the contrast, and added sharpening and it looks great.
The second image looks like motion blur, but not if shot at 1/1000s.
The camera just may have missed focus.

I think the problem may be with the Rebel Autofocus.
Ideally, for situations like this, you want to use AI Servo.
However, the Rebel uses AI Autofocus, in which the camera determines One Shot, or switches to AI Servo if it senses movement.
Well, often the camera reacts too slowly, or doesnt switch to AI Servo at all.
This was something I experience also when I first got my Rebel. So, I ended getting Wasia's Modded Firmware that allows you to choose AI Autofocus, One Shot, or AI Servo, just like on the Rebel's big brother, the 10D. That fixed most of the problems. However, the modded firmware using AI Servo has one slight glitch. The AI Servo works fine , but when you press the shutter all the way to take a pic, nothing happens. So, what you have to do is quickly release your finger from the shutter, then press all the way down to get it to shoot. With some practice, you can get a very quick trigger finger and it works great! I used this method all summer!


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Sep 27, 2004 05:52 |  #10

An alternative trick to shoot in AI servo with the 300D is:
1) keep the thumb on the AF/MF switch and then, when willing to shoot:
2) switch to MF
3) shoot!
I feel sometimes it is faster and more intuitive than the other way.
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Sep 28, 2004 20:02 |  #11

Here is a 100% crop from a 70-200 f4L that I just received. Is this image sharp?(no glasses means I am blind tonight.)

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Sep 28, 2004 21:36 |  #12

It's not sharp at all to me...


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Sep 28, 2004 21:49 |  #13

Koontsa - are your pictures scaled down, or those are 100% crops?


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