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Jan 13, 2008 01:06 |  #1

i think i have my tripod legs all figured out, but i was wondering if anyone had any guiding opinions on which head to settle with. from the looks of it, my budget will just about accommodate a 190XPROB right now, but i'm trying to figure out whether i should jump on a 486RC2 or a 488RC2 head. i know everyone has rave reviews on the 488RC2, but it really strains my tripod budget quite a bit right now and i was wondering if people have any experiences of inadequacy with the 486RC2. i played with the 055XPROB/488RC2 pairing before, and i really love it.. but it's a little too heavy, too expensive, and too much tripod for my current uses. i'll probably end up purchasing it in a few years if i feel like i need more support, but does anyone have any personal objections to a 190XPROB with a 486RC2 head? it sounds perfect for me right now, but i always consult these forums before i make any significant photography-oriented purchases. =)

(the 190XPROB/486RC2 is already slightly over budget but i'm letting it slide because i've been convinced a manfrotto/bogen is the way to go. i understand that the 055XPROB/488RC2 combination is only $60 or so more, but my self-imposed budget was $200 to begin with and $270 is sounding a lot more painful than $210.)


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Jan 13, 2008 05:40 |  #2

You will find that the 486RC2 will slip a little with the heavy 40D/24-70 combination when you use the "portrait" position. The 488RC2 has a larger diameter ball and has enough "beef" to avoid slipping with weights on it that exceed the capability of the 486RC2.

In addition, of course, the 488RC2 has the separate pan release lever that will be extremely handy on a tripod.

How tall are you? I am 5ft 10in tall and find the 190 series tripods (formerly known as the 3001 series in the U.S.) too short for me. I would have to extend the center column virtually every time I used a 190, and that is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Extending the center column reduces the rigidity of a tripod by a very significant amount. While there are situations that will require extending the center column, you really want a tripod that you can use 95% (or more) of the time without extending the center column.

It would be worth the effort to save for another month or two and get the one tripod that will take you for many years rather than spending most of the budget on something that you would be sorry you purchased later on. Many of us have purchased several tripods over the years until we finally found the combination that stops the buying. For me, the Bogen/Manfrotto 3021BPro topped with a Manfrotto 488RC2 is that tripod for most of my work - including all of my field work. The 3021BPro has been replaced by the 055XProB.


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Jan 13, 2008 05:40 |  #3

Over here the difference between the 486RC2 and the 488RC2 s aout £14 ($28) which isnt that bad considering.
I have the 488RC2 anD find the panning ability very useful.

If you can stretch i think you would not regret it as it is a very good head and you dont want to be left feeling "if only i had the 488RC2"




  
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Jan 13, 2008 05:42 |  #4

There's nothing wrong with the 486RC2 at all. It's not *quite* as substantial as the 488 and doesn't have the separate pan facility but it's a decent head in it's own right. Go for it, you can always get the 488 later if you need to. The trouble is that there's always something that little bit better for a bit more money... only you can answer that one.


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Jan 13, 2008 05:55 |  #5

Bill Roberts wrote in post #4692584 (external link)
There's nothing wrong with the 486RC2 at all. It's not *quite* as substantial as the 488 and doesn't have the separate pan facility but it's a decent head in it's own right. Go for it, you can always get the 488 later if you need to. The trouble is that there's always something that little bit better for a bit more money... only you can answer that one.

Bill, the problem is that he already has the Canon 24-70 f/2.8L and I know from experience that the 486RC2 is not always up to the task of holding that lens on a xxD body (like my 20D) steady without creeping, especially when flipped over into "portrait" position.


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Jan 13, 2008 06:07 |  #6

In that case Skip I agree totally, the 488 would be the better choice.

I really should learn to read everything before I post! :oops: but we both know that's never going to happen...

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Jan 13, 2008 06:53 |  #7

In my opinnion you should get the 488 as I was trying to do the same choice you are about to make like a month ago! I did tried all of them and deicided on 055xprob and 488rc2 and I am definitely happy about that.. and about 190x its still a stable tripod but if you extend the middle column it will be a bit jiggly and if you dont it will be short.. at least it was too short for me... but 488 is the head you will sooner or later find yourself buying.. so to save yourself from some trouble and save some money just hold on there and buy the 488.. and lastly whichever you choose you will be a Happy photographer! please do tell us what you decide when you get it!

edit: and I gotta thank SkipD helping me decide on my tripod again! thanx SkipD


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Jan 13, 2008 10:28 |  #8

I have the 486 and the XTi with the 24-70 and have not experienced the "slip" as many other have. Unless they are talking about the slight movement downward you get after tightening the ball head but I have learned to compensate for it as it moves the same amount each time I adjust. ..however if your budget allows go for the 488....


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Jan 13, 2008 10:33 |  #9

tjrenegade wrote in post #4693520 (external link)
Unless they are talking about the slight movement downward you get after tightening the ball head but I have learned to compensate for it as it moves the same amount each time I adjust.

You get that wit hthe 488 aswell, and spose most reasonbly priced ball heads. The Uber priced ones wont do that.




  
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Jan 13, 2008 12:27 as a reply to  @ HotFuzz's post |  #10

first and foremost, thanks so much for all the great advice. switching to a dSLR has really scared the living daylights out of me since i've been reaching so much and it seems to have a severe if-you-give-a-mouse-a-cookie effect. after deciding a few months ago to get a XTi and a 17-85mm, four months and almost $2000 over-budget later, i'm putting the last nails into my financial coffin by buying a nice tripod to complement my 40D setup. c'est la vie.

it really wasn't the answer i was fishing for here (i was crossing my fingers to hear words of support for the 190XPROB/486RC2) but given the fact that i really trust the words of wisdom i receive here, i'll hold off and see if i can go the extra distance and make sure i get a support system i won't be disappointed with. as for future updates, the tripod/head combination that you see in my signature in a few weeks will probably be a good measure of what i ended up pulling the trigger on. once again, thanks a bunch to everyone for their help.

PS: and yes, SkipD, i'm also 5'10-5'11 so your comment about height was icing on the cake to save for the 055XPROB. thanks. =)


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Jan 13, 2008 15:16 |  #11

I went through exactly the same decision making process in the last week.

I had a long hard look at the 190XPROB/486RC2 kit and knew I wouldn't be happy with it for the reasons skip especially articulated above. I went for the 055XPROB/488RC2 and I know I now have a tripod and head that will give me many years of reliable service.


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Jan 13, 2008 15:46 as a reply to  @ blackshadow's post |  #12

if weight is a concern the 488 is .75 lbs heavier (i have the 486).

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Jan 13, 2008 19:07 |  #13

ed rader wrote in post #4695160 (external link)
if weight is a concern the 488 is .75 lbs heavier (i have the 486).

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It's a nit, but per B&H specs the delta is 0.5 lbs


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Jan 13, 2008 21:04 |  #14

Does the 24-70 weigh more than the 70-200 2.8 IS? I have that very tripod/head combo, and the 70-200 doesn't slip.


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Jan 14, 2008 06:06 |  #15

irishman wrote in post #4697234 (external link)
Does the 24-70 weigh more than the 70-200 2.8 IS? I have that very tripod/head combo, and the 70-200 doesn't slip.

When using the 70-200, you don't need to flop the ball head 90° over to the side to get the camera into "portrait" position. You just rotate the lens in the tripod ring.

With a 24-70, however, you need to put all the weight of the camera and lens off-axis from the head. That is what puts the strain on a Manfrotto 486RC2 ball head and sometimes (though not all the time) causes creep. You can stop the creep by over-tightening the locking knob, but I prefer to avoid damaging my equipment and resolve this problem by using a larger ball head - the Manfrotto 488RC2.


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