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Jan 31, 2023 04:24 |  #4471

Jonzjob wrote in post #19474226 (external link)
How would you take the coefficient of expansion of the tape in to account in a belting hot boiler? If you used that method you'd probably find that the tape had expanded more than the boiler and then it would appear to shrink -?

Presumably any serious piece of measuring equipment would have a coefficient of expansion figure associated with it - even in the 1800s.

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They're both steel so expand the same

But wouldn’t the measuring tape be made of a flexible steel and the boiler made out of - - whatever - - having a different expansion coefficient? Dunno.-?


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Jan 31, 2023 05:14 |  #4472

Ray.Petri wrote in post #19474235 (external link)
Presumably any serious piece of measuring equipment would have a coefficient of expansion figure associated with it - even in the 1800s.

But wouldn’t the measuring tape be made of a flexible steel and the boiler made out of - - whatever - - having a different expansion coefficient? Dunno.-?

Not really
Steel expands 0.0011 mm per 100 metres per degree C.
The expansion would be negligible but measurable for something like a boiler say 1.2 metres diameter. Circumference 3.7 metres expands approx 0.4mm per degree C
Cast iron similar so unless the boiler made of lead or zinc,or gold which expands about 2.5 as much there'd not be a problem

I'd measure our bridges for expansion with a 1/16" steel band, applying a constant pull of 15 lbs (spring balance) and measured temperature.
If laying flat on beam then we'd sit the band and the thermometer on the bridge beam to equalise the temperature. Otherwise we'd be unsure of temperature of steel band.
Concrete expands similar but different to steel.
We'd let the engineers decide what expansion the concrete beams made.



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Jan 31, 2023 05:22 |  #4473

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Not really
Steel expands 0.0011 mm per 100 metres per degree C.
The expansion would be negligible but measurable for something like a boiler say 1.2 metres diameter. Circumference 3.7 metres expands approx 0.4mm per degree C
Cast iron similar so unless the boiler made of lead or zinc,or gold which expands about 2.5 as much there'd not be a problem

I'd measure our bridges for expansion with a 1/16" steel band, applying a constant pull of 15 lbs (spring balance) and measured temperature.
If laying flat on beam then we'd sit the band and the thermometer on the bridge beam to equalise the temperature. Otherwise we'd be unsure of temperature of steel band.
Concrete expands similar but different to steel.
We'd let the engineers decide what expansion the concrete beams made.

You got it Richard. Now calculate the resonance of the bridge as per my previous post bottom of last page.:-) just joking!:-)


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Jan 31, 2023 14:59 |  #4474

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Jan 31, 2023 18:39 |  #4475

Ray.Petri wrote in post #19474213 (external link)
Something I got involved in for a short time yonks ago - fortunately the project was abandoned due to more pressing problems.:-)

However, Resonance - regarding bridges - is a vibration which can be destructive to the bridge - for example soldiers marching across the bridge will be ordered to ‘Break Step’ to prevent the possibility of the bridge resonating which could result in collapse.
A good example of this can be seen in the link below for the Millennium Bridge in London.

https://en.m.wikipedia​.org …um_Bridge,_Lond​on#/search (external link)

Don't forget the Tacoma Narrows Bridge
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw (external link)

I think they still use this video to show real examples of resonance and standing waves in schools.




  
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Jan 31, 2023 18:47 |  #4476

Ray.Petri wrote in post #19474186 (external link)
Thank you, Richard.:-)

And just how did you remember that explanation Capn’. Very amusing!:-)


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Feb 01, 2023 00:24 |  #4477

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Don't forget the Tacoma Narrows Bridge
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw (external link)

I think they still use this video to show real examples of resonance and standing waves in schools.

Thanks Capn. I have seen that video on the box - maybe, just maybe if the bridge had been terminated in it’s characteristic impedance - or whatever the mechanical term is - it’d have been ok.-? I wonder who picked up the tab for that one?


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Feb 01, 2023 02:01 |  #4478

Capn Jack wrote in post #19474495 (external link)
Don't forget the Tacoma Narrows Bridge
https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw (external link)

I think they still use this video to show real examples of resonance and standing waves in schools.

That is horrendous.
Amazing filming.
Thanks for posting. Terrible as it was it's interesting



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Feb 01, 2023 03:55 |  #4479

That reminds me of the Millennium Bridge across the Thames. That bounced quite well too

https://www.youtube.co​m/watch?v=y2FaOJxWqLE (external link)

Still, I expect that the 'designer' still kept his cash!


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Feb 04, 2023 09:25 |  #4480

Pass over the Swartberg, build in 1888 to link the Little Karoo with the Great Karoo.
Edit: I realized too late that I posted this in the wrong thread! It was meant to be a "Road photo"
Another edit: I decided to move the images


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Feb 04, 2023 09:46 |  #4481

Sligachan Old Bridge, Isle of Skye.

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Feb 04, 2023 11:37 |  #4482

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It is a nice composition because the background hills follow the shape of the bridge.




  
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Feb 04, 2023 12:45 |  #4483

That's a lovely view of the Cuillin Mountains and Sligachan bridge.

The locals say that if you can't see the Cullins then it's raining and if you can then it's going to rain! It's other name is the Misty Isle.It didn't rain the number of times I had holidays up there so I guess that the sun shines on the righteous :rolleyes: A beautiful island!:love:

The Cullins are quite often used as a practice for climbers who atre going on to the Alps. I wanted to have a walk over them but I was told that it would have been far too dangerous unless I was an experienced cimber, which I ain't so I didn't :eek:


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Feb 04, 2023 13:22 |  #4484

The Millennium Bridge, officially known as the London Millennium Footbridge, is a steel suspension bridge for pedestrians crossing the River Thames in London, linking Bankside with the City of London.

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Feb 04, 2023 15:59 |  #4485

Five London Bridges - From the top of the Shard 306m high.
It was a very misty rainy day in November when I took this shot and the internal reflection from the windows presented a problem - hence the lines running across the river.

The bridges are - from nearest to Farthest (Right to Left)
1. London Bridge.
2. Cannon Street Rail Bridge.
3. Southwark Bridge.
4. Millennium Bridge.
5. Blackfriars Rail Bridge.

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