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Leica and Zeiss lens - what's the big deal??

 
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Jan 29, 2008 12:39 |  #1

MTF looks rather crappy - all over the place, with light dropping fast toward corners.

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http://www.zeiss.com …en/$File/P1_4_5​0ZF_EN.pdf (external link)

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Jan 29, 2008 12:46 |  #2

OK, good. One less person driving up the prices of those crappy lenses.


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Jan 29, 2008 12:49 |  #3

I'm guessing like a lot of luxury goods... the price you pay is for satisfaction and a feeling of superiority.


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Jan 29, 2008 12:50 |  #4

I'm not a fan of the modern Zeiss/Leica, i think mostly you're paying for the name, maybe a little less automation in the production process. BUT the old M42/Contax mount Zeiss lenses are immensely sharp, and built like tanks and can be bought for a reasonable amount off ebay.


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Jan 29, 2008 12:56 |  #5

I never understood it either.. They all look old and like antiques to me, and I have never seen them take pictures that looked overly better or even a little better than a good canon lens.


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Jan 29, 2008 13:08 as a reply to  @ ben_r_'s post |  #6

Try these this is what Leica does best.
http://www.leica-camera.us/photography/​m_system/ (external link)

And wit hHasselblad you are dealing with medium format LARGER NEGS so the glass isn't and doesn't need to be as sharp as a 135 format.

One of the sharpest lenses I ever shot with is the 180mm CF Zeiss. Also its a leaf shutter. (shutter is in hte lens not the camera body). Try and old 500CM with a really nice Zeiss lens or an M6 with a 35 1.4 aspherical and see if you don't change your mind. ;)




  
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Jan 29, 2008 13:08 |  #7

bbbig wrote in post #4808589 (external link)
MTF looks rather crappy - all over the place, with light dropping fast toward corners.

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http://www.leica-camera.us/photography/​r_system/lenses/ (external link)

Zeiss

http://www.zeiss.com …en/$File/P1_4_5​0ZF_EN.pdf (external link)

Most Canon L lens win hands down!

Since you are comparing Canon MTF to Zeiss MTF, then you might find the "Monday, September 17, 2007" entry in the following link to be an interesting read: http://diglloyd.com/di​glloyd/2007-09-blog.html (external link)




  
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Jan 29, 2008 13:12 as a reply to  @ airfrogusmc's post |  #8

Oh one other thing you can use 30 year old Zeiss lenses on the 500C/M and 30 year old lenses on the M8 or M7 and theres a good chance it will still be working in another 30 years.




  
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Jan 29, 2008 14:15 as a reply to  @ airfrogusmc's post |  #9

The tonal quality and sharpness of my US$200 East German-built Zeiss 35mm Flektogon leaves me no reasons to buy a far more expensive Canon 35L. And there is not one Canon wide that outperforms the Contax Zeiss 21mm in terms of edge-to-edge sharpness. Of course, you have to sell your wife to pick up such a lens, but then you don't have to worry about lying to her about the price…

In addition, I have read, and I wouldn't be surprised, that some Zeiss exhibit a shallower depth of field at the same aperture and focal length as their Canon counterparts. This could be a good or bad thing depending on your style of photography…for me, if true, it's a benefit…

Perhaps instead of looking at MTF charts, you should try out different lenses and discover for yourself what you like…sometimes, there are other characteristics, however subtle, that are not easily measurable…


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Jan 29, 2008 14:30 |  #10

sjones wrote in post #4809232 (external link)
Perhaps instead of looking at MTF charts, you should try out different lenses and discover for yourself what you like…sometimes, there are other characteristics, however subtle, that are not easily measurable…

Amen.

Also, The Flektogon is an awesome lens for sure, but prices have gone up since so many people know now.


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Jan 29, 2008 14:33 |  #11

"MTF—measured vs computed: some manufucturers publish MTF charts based on computed MTF eg the MTF achieved by the lens design assuming perfect manufacturing and assembly—something unlikely to occur with most samples. As far as the author knows, Canon, Nikon, Sigma, etc all publish computed MTF. By comparison, Zeiss publishes MTF that is measured from a real lens, and all lenses must meet that minimum performance level or they are not shipped to customers. Furthermore, MTF at 40 line pairs/mm is a much more demanding standard than at 30 line pairs/mm. Also, the spectral weighting influences the results. The upshot is that MTF of Zeiss lenses can’t be directly compared against other most other brands."

For the lazy.


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Jan 29, 2008 14:41 |  #12

danskim wrote in post #4808674 (external link)
I'm guessing like a lot of luxury goods... the price you pay is for satisfaction and a feeling of superiority.

Yeah, unlike all the humble L owners on this site….


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Jan 29, 2008 14:46 |  #13

sjones wrote in post #4809232 (external link)
The tonal quality and sharpness of my US$200 East German-built Zeiss 35mm Flektogon leaves me no reasons to buy a far more expensive Canon 35L. And there is not one Canon wide that outperforms the Contax Zeiss 21mm in terms of edge-to-edge sharpness. Of course, you have to sell your wife to pick up such a lens, but then you don't have to worry about lying to her about the price…

In addition, I have read, and I wouldn't be surprised, that some Zeiss exhibit a shallower depth of field at the same aperture and focal length as their Canon counterparts. This could be a good or bad thing depending on your style of photography…for me, if true, it's a benefit…

Perhaps instead of looking at MTF charts, you should try out different lenses and discover for yourself what you like…sometimes, there are other characteristics, however subtle, that are not easily measurable…

How do you fit your Zeiss lenses on your Canon body?

I hear you can fit some Zeiss using F-mount on Nikon; that'd be nice to try out for sure... but I'd imagine you'd lose auto focus?


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Jan 29, 2008 15:05 as a reply to  @ bbbig's post |  #14

How do you fit your Zeiss lenses on your Canon body?

With an adapter

I hear you can fit some Zeiss using F-mount on Nikon; that'd be nice to try out for sure... but I'd imagine you'd lose auto focus?

The Zeiss Planar T* 1.4/50 ZF you referenced earlier is designed to fit Nikon F mounts. It is a manual focus lens.




  
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Jan 29, 2008 15:05 |  #15

gasrocks wrote in post #4808657 (external link)
OK, good. One less person driving up the prices of those crappy lenses.

ditto!
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