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Feb 02, 2008 14:21 |  #1

Why do you like Canon over Nikon?

A little background first. (I swear I'm not trolling. Honest!)

I'm a newbie to the world of photography. But my wife isn't. We're coming up on our 10th wedding anniversary, and I want to get her a digital SLR. Way back when I first met her, she enjoyed taking photos with her Nikon 4004s. She wasn't into the technical aspects of cameras as much as she created art with what she had. The technical part of photography is a means to an end for her. (I'm the technogeek of the family, not her.) But that camera suffered irraparable damage and has been sitting on a shelf for much of the past decade. And since she's given up so much for our family, I want to get her something for her. I know she'd probably prefer something that would benefit the family, but this is a gift for her. My deadline -- our anniversary -- is in June, so I have plenty of time to do reasearch. What I want to know is why people prefer Canon over Nikon.

Small disclaimer: My work background is in laser physics. So I'm well versed in optics and optical theory, including different types of aberration, diffraction, apertures, etc... I just happen to have no experience with traditional photography, so a lot of the traditional practical application of this information used by photographers isn't familiar to me. But I'm trying to learn quickly. If you have technical reasons why you believe Canon to be better than Nikon, please don't hesitate to tell me.




  
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Feb 02, 2008 14:27 |  #2

i don't believe that canon is better than Nikon. i chose Canon because at that time, they had a camera that worked for me as well as because my friends were using Canon. now, my best advice to people is to go to a store and simple playing with the cameras that they have and then decide based on what feels good to you. i know people with Canon who are happy and i also know people with Nikon who are happy.

with that said, it is VERY important to also look at the complete system because once you are buying the camera, you are also buying into the system. make sure you research lenses for each brand, flashes etc.. before you make the decision.




  
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Feb 02, 2008 14:45 as a reply to  @ blonde's post |  #3

I had a chance to compare the Canon Rebel XTi head to head with the Nikon D40 and I found the D40 to be a more pleasing package. The camera felt better (no hard edges), and was more consistent with flash and other exposures right.

The Canon had the upper hand on focus speed. As a sports photographer, that is crucial to me so I switched to Canon for that one feature. Imagine how pleasantly surprised I was to discover they offer a better selection of lenses and they are lower price!


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Feb 02, 2008 14:54 |  #4

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Feb 02, 2008 15:11 |  #5

I picked Canon because the Canon camera in my price range felt better than the Nikon. It took a while to decide but I'm glad with what I ended up with.


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Feb 02, 2008 15:18 |  #6

For me it came down to a couple of things. When I was first shopping around for a DSLR for work, I was still working in film and I needed something that performed very well in poorly lit areas. At the time the 5D seemed to fulfill the requirement perfectly. I was so impressed by the 5D's low light ability that when I decided to switch to a SLR for personal use as well I stuck with Canon. So my list is.
1. High ISO noise control and image quality. Canon pics just look better in my opinion.
2. Lenses and accessories. Canon has a world class line up.
3. Cost of the system. Canon is just less expensive for the same hardware.


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Feb 02, 2008 15:28 |  #7

I picked up a cheap used D30. I didn't have a clue about pixel count back then. I just thought it looked good :lol:

Once I had learned enough about digital, I wanted to buy the Nikon D100 - but ended up staying with Canon and never regretted it.


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Feb 02, 2008 15:28 |  #8

Canon traditionally has much better high ISO image quality, less noise than Nikon. I like their selection of lenses better too.

An XTi/400D would be a great present, especially if it comes with the new IS kit lens.

The D40/D40x/D60 is an awful camera, the rest of Nikon's lineup is nice, but the D40 doesn't have mirror-lockup, only 3 Af points, no DOF preview, and cannot autofocus with most of Nikon's lens lineup, it's only compatible with a few.

Nikon's flash system is better though, imho.

At the end of the day, you are buying into a system, not just buying a camera.


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Feb 02, 2008 15:32 as a reply to  @ Simoli's post |  #9

I couldn't tell you why I chose the Canon camp when I got the A1 as my first body. Could have been the TV commercials or friends have Canon equipment. My best friend was from the Nikon camp, but he eventually saw the light and moved over to Canon (probably to utilize my lenses). Since your wife used Nikon equipment, perhaps she would be more comfortable sticking with it. On the other hand, since its been 10 years since she picked up a camera, it wouldn't make a difference which brand you give her. Both of you will have to learn how to utilize the camera. Go to a good camera shop and have a salesperson help you decide. They will always lean towards Canon or Nikon. Then go back again and see what another salesperson says. Whatever brand you choose, go out and take pictures. The brand doesn't make any difference if it sits on a shelf for ten years!


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Feb 02, 2008 15:33 |  #10

The thing is, both systems work and have their strong points and weak points.

There's much more to it than just optics and nobody has done a scientific comparison in terms of lenses. There are some brilliant piece of glass from canon and nikon and also some complete dogs. In general, both canon and nikon are not the best, leica is, but it is priced accordingly.

There's also autofocus and ergonomics which are more important than the glass.

I don't know the nikon system very well, so I can't speak about it. But as an amateur system I don't like Canon. All of the slower primes are horrible in quality and have bad autofocus motors. If it doesn't have L on it, then you'll find chromatic aberrations, bad contrast and five-bladed apertures which give penagons in the background.

The L lenses are much faster and you get apertures like 1.2 and 1.4 in retrofocus designs. They cost and arm and a leg, they're heavy and in the end the performance suffers wide open.

I'd rather a range of excellent f/2 primes instead from canon, but it's not there.

85/1.8 is softish and has some chromatic aberrations
35/2 is soft in the corners until 5.6
28/1.8 is soft throughout
28/2.8 is chromatic aberrations in 2 out of 3 lenses I tried
35/1.4, I had a soft copy on one side. Ended up returning it.
24/1.4 is soft and doesn't get much better as you stop down
50/1.8 is soft wide open, gets sharp at 2.8...

As a comparison I've had good lenses. Leica summicron 35/2 for example is not only sharp, it is also better in terms of contrast and color. It's hard to describe, but it's just better.

If I were to buy from scratch, I'd shoot film. I'd get a used leica SLR. I missed a system, where a leica body, 35, 50 1.4, and a tele of some sort were going for a grand. It is more of a camera than any canon out there.

Hope this helps


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Feb 02, 2008 15:37 |  #11

I don't know much about that particular Nikon- but if the lenses are compatible with new cameras and she has a pile of lenses, then might be worth getting a Nikon body. Otherwise I'd get a Canon! 400d/XTi would be great to start out with. :)


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Feb 02, 2008 15:48 as a reply to  @ DocFrankenstein's post |  #12

I chose Canon, because at the time it had an overall superior camera system to anything available from Nikon. However, with the exception of the Canon 1DsMkIII, Nikon has pretty much caught up to Canon currently, with some advantages going to either system.

If you have multiple Nikon lenses already, then I would say go Nikon, if you only have one, it won't make much difference then which you pick.

However, if you are only going to buy one camera and maybe no more then couple of lenses and then nothing for quite some time, I honestly suggest considering Sigma, Pentax, Fuji, Olympus and Sony in the mix. All of them have good consumer cameras.

If however, you are thinking you may buy an entire line of lenses and accessories, then first figure what style you are likely to use and what you are likely to take pictures of and then look at the lenses available for that system. Except for the highest end cameras, both companies produce good quality cameras, although obviously I favor Canon.


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Feb 02, 2008 16:05 |  #13

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You just have to balance price against features.

If you are looking at entry-level cameras, the Nikon D40 and D40x have limited lens selection. Unlike more expensive models, they can only use the lenses with an auto focus motor built in, which excludes roughly half of the current AF Nikkors and all the older manual focus lenses. I believe the D80 and up can use the widest selection of selection lenses. The reason for this is that Nikon has made a real effort to retain backward compatibility to their AI/AI-S manual focus lenses, dating back as far ad the 1960s or 70s. But now, in order to get to the lower, entry level price point, they find themselves leaving the AF motor out of the camera bodies on those models, which so many of their current and recent lenses still require.

Meanwhile Canon entry-level models all are compatible with all Canon autofocus lenses made since the 1990s and on. No modern cameras work very well with Canon's old FD mount manual focus lenses. Canon made clean break (painful at the time) from their old system and has worked hard on 100% compatibility ever since.

Some Nikon models still use CCD sensors (entry-level models). Personally, I prefer CMOS, which Canon devoted itself to early on and has progressed a great deal with. To me, CMOS gives a cleaner image (less noise). Apparently Nikon agrees. All their newer, higher end models now employ CMOS. (Sony and Olympus are the other two manuf. who use mostly or entirely CMOS now.)

Tied to the CCD vs CMOS sensor issue, Nikon owners I work alongside have been reluctant to set their cameras above ISO 400, maybe 800 in a pinch. I don't think twice about using ISO 1600 on my two 30Ds and 10D, and have used ISO 3200 pretty successfully in many situations (Canon 5D/1D Mk III owners don't think twice about using ISO 3200).

Many felt the Nikon CCD images got "plasticky" above certain ISOs, and lost quite a bit of detail. That's because they needed to use very aggressive noise reduction. Canon didn't need to use as aggressive noise reduction with their CMOS. In fact, it seems Nikon has continued to use pretty aggressive noise reduction, even now with their new models with CMOS chips, still leading to some loss of detail although noise has been greatly reduced. Perhaps NR can be turned of or is adjustable, though. I haven't personally shot with the D300 or D3, so this is really just an observation of some comments I've read and heard. There's a lot of cheering in the Nikon camp, though, to be able to set ISO 800 and above without too much worry now.

There are quite a few more Canon prime lenses to choose from, and a more limited selection of prime Nikkors (primes are non-zoom lenses) in the current lens line ups. I use zooms when I must, but really prefer to work with primes whenever they are practical. Often in Canon's lens line-up you will see two or three choices of primes, with other manufacturers including Nikon it's seldom more than one version in each focal length. Not every one prefers prime lenses the way I do, so this may or may not be important.

When I first got into the Canon system, they really were the only game in town in terms of Image Stabilization. That was an important feature for me. Today Nikon has a lot of lenses with their own VR system, although still not quite as many as Canon's IS. Other manufacturers are also catching up with their own methods of image stabilization.

Canon isn't perfect. No system is. Nikon has recently released new 14-24/2.8 lens that looks to be terrific. They have also had a 200/2 VR lens in their line-up for a while. Canon is finally getting around to producing a comparable lens again soon.

So definitely look carefully at all your options. If you wife has a number of older, manual focus or even earlier AF lenses, one of the more advanced Nikon models that can use them might be just the ticket.

Olympus, Pentax, Sony and others are putting out some excellent offerings, too.

Nice Anniversary gift idea, by the way. Best of luck with your shopping!


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Feb 02, 2008 16:06 |  #14

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The thing is, both systems work and have their strong points and weak points.

There's much more to it than just optics and nobody has done a scientific comparison in terms of lenses. There are some brilliant piece of glass from canon and nikon and also some complete dogs. In general, both canon and nikon are not the best, leica is, but it is priced accordingly.

There's also autofocus and ergonomics which are more important than the glass.

I don't know the nikon system very well, so I can't speak about it. But as an amateur system I don't like Canon. All of the slower primes are horrible in quality and have bad autofocus motors. If it doesn't have L on it, then you'll find chromatic aberrations, bad contrast and five-bladed apertures which give penagons in the background.

The L lenses are much faster and you get apertures like 1.2 and 1.4 in retrofocus designs. They cost and arm and a leg, they're heavy and in the end the performance suffers wide open.

I'd rather a range of excellent f/2 primes instead from canon, but it's not there.

85/1.8 is softish and has some chromatic aberrations
35/2 is soft in the corners until 5.6
28/1.8 is soft throughout
28/2.8 is chromatic aberrations in 2 out of 3 lenses I tried
35/1.4, I had a soft copy on one side. Ended up returning it.
24/1.4 is soft and doesn't get much better as you stop down
50/1.8 is soft wide open, gets sharp at 2.8...

As a comparison I've had good lenses. Leica summicron 35/2 for example is not only sharp, it is also better in terms of contrast and color. It's hard to describe, but it's just better.

If I were to buy from scratch, I'd shoot film. I'd get a used leica SLR. I missed a system, where a leica body, 35, 50 1.4, and a tele of some sort were going for a grand. It is more of a camera than any canon out there.

Hope this helps

85 1.8 is soft? I think you had a bad copy.

Shooting wide open at such large apertures will almost give you more CA or softer images. If you're worried about that, why not just stop it down to f/2 or so?

Canon glass is almost always cheaper than Nikon glass if you consider it an arm and leg. I'm not sure how you'll afford to keep in the Leica system if that's what you think about Canon/Nikon though.

What gear are you using? I think it's wildly unjust to say that a Leica is "more than any Canon". Have you honestly shot and practiced with everything?

Good luck on your Leica quest though. I honestly think that people take gear far too seriously though. I've seen plenty of gorgeous shots from Nikon, Canon, Leica, everything and that's all that really matters to me.




  
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Feb 02, 2008 16:51 |  #15

From a technical stand point, the dominance tends to switch every time a new body is introduced as they will hold the latest and greatest updates. For me though, certain implementations like the scroll wheel on Canon's bodies provide a nice touch to the package that I don't see appearing on Nikons any time soon. Canon's 16-35mm & 24-70mm both cost quite a bit less than Nikon's offerings and its line-up has lenses such as the 50mm and 85mm f/1.2 (though really it can be somewhat applied both ways). Also the Canon 5D is still the most accessible/least expensive full frame digital camera out there. There are slight differences in processed images spat out form the cameras, but in the end it's all about getting the results you want with the gear you have at your disposal. If you can, you should probably take your wife along and have her try out the systems in the store so she can find something she's happiest with. Or a personal voucher for a camera system of her choice perhaps if you want to keep it a secret?


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