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Feb 09, 2008 01:13 |  #31

well Adam I really don't appreciate being called a liar. I have stated many times the process I used, if you don't believe me that is fine, but don't come in here and call me a liar.

I hope this thread does help people though as that was my intent. Don't be afraid to use high iso, just make sure you expose right or even over expose a touch and the noise will be minimal.




  
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Feb 09, 2008 01:22 |  #32

Im not calling anyone a liar. Im just saying that your pictures bear a startlingly close resemblance to other pictures that have had NR done to them and that if I were to take a 3200ISO shot from a MkIII, it wouldnt look nearly as noise-free as yours.


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Feb 09, 2008 01:48 |  #33
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AdamLewis wrote in post #4879575 (external link)
Well these pics look like all the pics you post and they always look like they have NR done.
If they dont, then youve got the best performing MkII ever made. Better than any MkIII ive ever laid hands on.

Definitely NR being done somewhere. 3200 shot has no detail and no noise.

I agree with what this gentleman says. NR is pretty obvious on these as is the problem with red that the MK II had. Still cool to see what it can do though!




  
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Feb 09, 2008 01:52 |  #34

You two just don't get it lol there is ZERO NR DONE TO THESE IMAGES!

I am done responding to these claims, I really don't know what more I can do to hammer it through.

Thanks for looking, hope you had as much fun as I did with these shots.

(PS: You can say what you want Adam, but you are telling me that i am a Liar, there is no fancy talk that will make it not that lol)




  
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Feb 09, 2008 01:59 |  #35
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You have an awesome MK II then. congrats haha.




  
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Feb 09, 2008 02:15 |  #36

I get similar results out of my Mark II.


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Feb 09, 2008 02:22 |  #37

LOL Thick headed alright!

To finish the thread off....His 1d before I sold it to him @ ISO3200-----properly exposed for subjects face....(surprise shot! LOL )

1. Full photo---NO NR DONE----STRAIGHT FROM CAMERA!!!

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2. 100% crop of same photo......NO NR DONE---STRAIGHT FROM CAMERA!!!
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Feb 09, 2008 02:39 |  #38

R_Metzel wrote in post #4881701 (external link)
LOL Thick headed alright!

To finish the thread off....His 1d before I sold it to him @ ISO3200-----properly exposed for subjects face....(surprise shot! LOL )

1. Full photo---NO NR DONE----STRAIGHT FROM CAMERA!!!


2. 100% crop of same photo......NO NR DONE---STRAIGHT FROM CAMERA!!!

If you have a problem with noise....learn to expose properly! ;)

Haha I actually see noise in that one. It seems in your and Matts case though the secret it to use NR ;) . I expose properly (as do many other people with better cameras than the MkII) and cant get the noise-free results you all seem to.


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Feb 09, 2008 03:10 |  #39

The noise AdamLewis is talking about is chroma noise. That type of noise appears to be notably absent from most, but not all, of the properly exposed shots (i.e., the ones that were not overexposed and then pulled back).

The ones in which it appears to be absent are:


  1. http://farm3.static.fl​ickr.com …49947124_0f3644​e750_o.jpg (external link)
  2. http://farm3.static.fl​ickr.com …49964790_3d3a75​faaf_o.jpg (external link)
  3. http://farm3.static.fl​ickr.com …50837318_142cdc​f829_o.jpg (external link)
But then there's one in which it's plainly visible (look at the girl's hair and you'll easily see it):

  1. http://farm3.static.fl​ickr.com …50015791_570b39​6e7b_o.jpg (external link)
Now, shot #3 in the list in which it's absent is, at ISO 3200, of the same subject (and I presume in the same lighting conditions) as the one in which it's plainly visible (but shot at ISO 1600).

Take a look at those two side by side. What accounts of the lack of chroma noise in the ISO 3200 shot? Again, the ones to compare are:I'm inclined to agree with AdamLewis: something is reducing the chroma noise in some of these shots. Maybe Lightroom does some chroma noise reduction upon import automatically, or perhaps upon conversion to jpeg? I have no idea.

I will say this: the quality of the shots makes me want to run out and buy a MkII right now. :)


EDIT: and no, I'm not accusing anyone of lying or anything else. That would be rather rude and stupid of me. It would also be a lie on my part to do so, since I don't believe anyone's lying or doing anything underhanded here.

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Feb 09, 2008 03:18 |  #40

Yeah like I said, the picture of the girl is the only time I see any noise. Whatever is going on, THERE IS NR being done. Maybe youre not aware of it, but it definitely is happening.

EDIT: Oh I didnt even see the pictures of that little girl. Ah well. More of the same. Good night everyone!


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Feb 09, 2008 03:23 |  #41

LR does apply some chrominance NR by default unless you change that in your import preferences (which you can do on a camera by camera basis) or override it on a shot-by-shot basis. At least it did when I first downloaded it. Since the 1D II kind of falls on its ass when it comes to chrominance noise at high ISO, I decided to leave it on.


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Feb 09, 2008 03:26 |  #42

cdifoto wrote in post #4881835 (external link)
LR does apply some chrominance NR by default unless you change that in your import preferences (which you can do on a camera by camera basis) or override it on a shot-by-shot basis. At least it did when I first downloaded it. I liked it enough to leave it alone.

To each their own. Im not saying its good or bad but it is noticeable and if youre going to do a test like this, its not really valid when youve got NR going on.


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Feb 09, 2008 03:38 |  #43

AdamLewis wrote in post #4881840 (external link)
To each their own. Im not saying its good or bad but it is noticeable and if youre going to do a test like this, its not really valid when youve got NR going on.

I can't speak for OP's methods but I don't think he ever intended this to be a dpreview-style measurebate-me all-things-final test anyway. Based on the thread title it's more of a "hey I'm bored, check this out & take it or leave it" thread.

Either way, I find that the minimal chrominance noise reduction that's done by default when I import makes it a very good contender for a long life of usage, physical accidents notwithstanding.


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Feb 09, 2008 03:43 |  #44

cdifoto wrote in post #4881861 (external link)
I can't speak for OP's methods but I don't think he ever intended this to be a dpreview-style measurebate-me all-things-final test anyway. Based on the thread title it's more of a "hey I'm bored, check this out & take it or leave it" thread.

I found the illustration of just how much noise reduction you get by overexposing and pulling back in post very informative, actually. And that was really the point of the thread to begin with (well, that and how much worse it gets when you have to pull up after underexposing. Lesson learned: don't underexpose). I expect the difference in noise would be just as dramatic regardless of any chroma noise reduction that may be happening.


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Feb 09, 2008 03:46 |  #45

AthleticsPhotog wrote in post #4881633 (external link)
You two just don't get it lol there is ZERO NR DONE TO THESE IMAGES!

Well, you don't have to convince me. Your post motivated me to do a quick and dirty high ISO test at 3200 with 40D and 17-40L. The snaps were taken handheld in RAW, and converted to jpeg from in Lightroom.

After importing the raw files, I zeroed all settings then set the white balance the same for all pics, adjusted black point very slightly photo by photo, set all files to medium contrast tone curve. I didn't make any other adjustments after setting all settings to zero, therefore zero sharpening, zero noise reduction etc.

Proper exposure or slight underexposure makes all the difference at high ISO, that's for sure. I don't take that many pics at 3200, but I'll make doubly sure to watch the exposure when I do. Thanks for the reminder.

This was overexposed and adjusted down 0.5 stop

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This was overexposed and adjusted down 0.3 stop

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This was properly exposed, no pp exposure adjustment

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This was underexposed and adjusted up 1/3 stop

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