Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Community Talk, Chatter & Stuff General Photography Talk 
Thread started 07 Feb 2008 (Thursday) 21:14
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Comparing Whibal6 and PrecisionCap

 
joove
Senior Member
471 posts
Joined Jul 2006
     
Feb 07, 2008 21:14 |  #1

Since I have the much maligned 70-300 DO, the stickies on this site advise me to shoot raw only. Since the 70-300 DO seems to always render cooler colors than a L, the use of a WB reference becomes critical.

For a recent trip to Kauai, I got myself a Whibal6 card. Not too expensive at 29$ + shipping/tax, given all the fancy calibration that seems to have gone into verifying spectral neutraility and all that. I added a random spring loaded retractor and clipped the Whibal6 to my pant pocket and pulled it out for a quick shot when needed. The only problem with this is that it is big enough that it is not always comfortable to put into your pockets when hiking (digs into your skin etc), plus it is easy to leave behind. I found myself without it on 2 of my 4 long trips in Kauai. Since then I have learnt about precision cap and have decided to try it out. Something stuck to my lens cap is so much more guaranteed to be close to my camera than a thick piece of plastic that is easy to misplace.

So I ordered those. Got them for ~ 15$ each (2X77mm and 1*58mm). They sent me 3*77mm and 2*58mm. Good!

Stuck the precisionCap on (simply following instructions. Painless) and took photos. The same photo with three additional virtual copies (bless LR) and click to WB processed differently. Shots taken on carpet at home, incandescent lighting, with 17-55: ISO: 800, 1/50 sec, f/2.8, @37mm.

Auto WB
IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'image/png' | Byte size: ZERO


WB on PrecisionCap grey area
IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'image/png' | Byte size: ZERO


WB on Whibal6 Grey area
IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'image/png' | Byte size: ZERO



WB on Whibal6 white-point area
IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'image/png' | Byte size: ZERO


The click-to-wb results to my eyes look close to identical. Just for kicks, given the fact that both of these manufacturers claim to spectrally verify their grey with top of the line GM machines, I moved the eye dropper randomly over the Whibal6 and the PrecisionCap respectively and am listing the range of each of the components that I noticed.

Whibal6:
  • R: 58 - 63
  • G: 48 - 56
  • B: 28 - 32
Precision Cap:
  • R: 59.8 - 61.8.
  • G: 52 - 54.4
  • B: 31 - 33.8
There is more variation in the whibal sample as compared with the PrecisionCap sample. I did cover pretty much the whole area, however since this is not an actual pixel average of the grey areas, take this with some salt. I am however convinced that the PrecisionCap stuff will not only stay with my camera but is also more uniform as compared to the whibal6. Whether it really is more neutral than the Whibal, I cannot say. The PrecisionCap is however shiny (compared with the matte whibal6) and angling it to avoid glare is important.

Since learning to shoot RAW for my 70-300 DO, I have realized ow much it helps with my exposure mishaps with other lenses. It is cool to have the permanent (sorta) wb aid with me when I am shooting.

hope this helps.

Vamsi
Gear list

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
chauncey
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
9,696 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 466
Joined Jun 2007
Location: MI/CO
     
Feb 07, 2008 21:46 |  #2

Very interesting comparison, thanks for posting.


The things you do for yourself die with you, the things you do for others live forever.
A man's worth should be judged, not when he basks in the sun, but how he faces the storm.

My stuff...http://1x.com/member/c​hauncey43 (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
PhotosGuy
Cream of the Crop, R.I.P.
Avatar
75,941 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 2609
Joined Feb 2004
Location: Middle of Michigan
     
Feb 08, 2008 08:49 |  #3

I'm glad you like it. For me: Gray Card…White Paper. What’s best?


FrankC - 20D, RAW, Manual everything...
Classic Carz, Racing, Air Show, Flowers.
Find the light... A few Car Lighting Tips, and MOVE YOUR FEET!
Have you thought about making your own book? // Need an exposure crutch?
New Image Size Limits: Image must not exceed 1600 pixels on any side.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
joove
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
471 posts
Joined Jul 2006
     
Feb 08, 2008 10:14 |  #4

chauncey wrote in post #4874119 (external link)
Very interesting comparison, thanks for posting.

You are welcome. I was searching for a portable, hard wearing and most importantly *something I will not forget to carry* alternative to the whibal6. Found no comparisons so decided to make one to help others stuck in my previous situation.

PhotosGuy wrote in post #4876274 (external link)
I'm glad you like it. For me: Gray Card…White Paper. What’s best?

PhotosGuy, I have read most if not all of your very informative posts regarding exposure. I never shoot in a studio situation. Mostly travel photography or family candids. So reading exposure in target lighting at the target is something I just cannot do and carrying more stuff is something I'd like to avoid. Carrying a heavy camera and a heavy backpack when hiking has made me appreciate solutions that don't require my carrying new stuff. Maybe I can calibrate the precisionCap grey WRT a white paper when it comes to how my 20D sets exposure and memorize the compensation required to push the grey to the right. The WB greys are much lighter than the 18% grey cards, so hopefully the exposure compensation required to bring it to the exposure level of white-at-right will be less than 2 stops (max on the 20D)

I have tried to WB off of scenes in the photo. But I don't always have white and my eyeballing the correct WB while adjusting the sliders in LR is usually more artistic than accurate and I want an accurate (if incorrect) WB as the starting point. Hence the need for a good/accurate/neutral WB aid. Paper is just not rugged enough for me to take along on a long hike nor is it spectrally neutral. Truth be told I have never considered exposing for white (assuming the tonality of the scene is 5 steps and my scene has white and 5 steps down from white at the scene light levels will not obliterate my shadows). I do try to expose for the highlights now that I have read Bruce Fraser's RAW book and undersand why it is neccesary. After reading your post I was thinking about a portable white source, if needed I will stick some white paper on the inside of my lens cap. Most white paper I have seen is slightly blue, I need to find a white source that is close to white and go from there. Any suggestions ? I will experiment with it and see if th eprecisionCap gray can be used in lieu of white. Will post results on your thread.

-vamsi


Vamsi
Gear list

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
J ­ Rabin
Goldmember
1,496 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Aug 2004
Location: NJ
     
Feb 08, 2008 20:59 as a reply to  @ joove's post |  #5

TY, This was nice to see. It seems to reveal things we know but don't see demonstrated:

a) Shoot RAW

b) Using a Color Temp gray card for Click-WB processing is far far better than not using one and relying of AWB.

c) The numerical dif in Eyedropper Click-WBing between cards are likely statistically insignificant, especially as there is sensor Color Noise and Luminance Noise at ISO 800. This variation is normal and low, and would be even lower at lower ISOs. Both WB color cards look good.

Jack




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
PhotosGuy
Cream of the Crop, R.I.P.
Avatar
75,941 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 2609
Joined Feb 2004
Location: Middle of Michigan
     
Feb 09, 2008 16:01 |  #6

Mostly travel photography or family candids. So reading exposure in target lighting at the target is something I just cannot do

No "solution" is perfect. But if the light 500 yards is the same as where you are...

I do try to expose for the highlights now that I have read Bruce Fraser's RAW book and undersand why it is neccesary.

Remember that's only true if you have highlights, and sometimes not even then.
This is not the same process as
Expose to the right (external link)

After reading your post I was thinking about a portable white source,

I usually carry the white paper in my pocket for notes, so that's why I use it.

Most white paper I have seen is slightly blue, I need to find a white source that is close to white and go from there. Any suggestions ?

I shoot only RAW, so I expect that I'll be able to adjust before the conversion. Remember, the "correct" WB for any shot may not be the "right" WB? What's "right" for a sunset? Sometimes I want a shot to be warmer than what a purist would term "correct", & might shoot at sunset with a Cloudy pre-set. We used to have to use color correction filters for that.

So in the long run, you should decide what is right for your shots, & have fun doing it! ;)


FrankC - 20D, RAW, Manual everything...
Classic Carz, Racing, Air Show, Flowers.
Find the light... A few Car Lighting Tips, and MOVE YOUR FEET!
Have you thought about making your own book? // Need an exposure crutch?
New Image Size Limits: Image must not exceed 1600 pixels on any side.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

1,527 views & 0 likes for this thread, 4 members have posted to it.
Comparing Whibal6 and PrecisionCap
FORUMS Community Talk, Chatter & Stuff General Photography Talk 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is lecstor
634 guests, 202 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.