Why there will be no 5D replacement.

I don't know about you. But I was sure there was going to be a 5D replacement at PMA. I mean its time, right?

Now I think it will never happen. Think about it. What can they do to the 5D that will not punish the 1 series.

If they increase resolution to 16.7mp - hurts 1DsMIII sales
If they increase speed to 5fps - hurts 1DsMIII sales
If they increase speed to 6.5 fps - hurts 40D and 1DMIII sales
If they add 51 point AF - hurts 1DsMII and 1DMIII sales
If they improve the LCD - no one cares

Everything Nikon has done with the D300 and D3 is hot pressure on Canon. Competition is good. Nikon has done a great job of marketing. So there will be D300 and 40D comparisons. The D300 51 point AF will certainly make it look more pro. The D3 is faster then the 1DsMIII and less expensive. How many people really need 21mp? It competes with the 1DMIII. It just seems to me that Canon has its own hands tied.

I disagree. That's like saying the new XSi will hurt the 40d sales. Which it might, but that doesn't stop Canon from making it.

I'm not sure about that. I own a 1D MarkIII and until recently owned a 5D as well. Even if the MP were bumped up on a new 5D, I would still use my MarkIII because I shoot surfing photography and the 5D motor drive (even if it was doubled) isn't fast enough. There are a lot of serious holes left in the action from sequencing with a 5D.

With higher resolution it would be a great camera (because it's FF) for portraits and adds for people who cannot afford the higher end equipment. Though many professionals I'm sure, still do not want to compromise and will still purchase the latest and greatest (1DS MarkIII).

A couple friends shoot weddings. Their packages START at 5 grand. They use 1DS MarkIII's. I know for sure they are not printing out huge pictures. Is the camera necessary? Maybe not, but they feel it is.

haleiwa-brando wrote in post #4922161
I shoot surfing photography and the 5D motor drive (even if it was doubled) isn't fast enough. There are a lot of serious holes left in the action from sequencing with a 5D.

"Motor Drive"??? Now there's a word I haven't heard in a long time. Sigh! I miss my Oly OM4ti

rc13k wrote in post #4921768
I disagree. That's like saying the new XSi will hurt the 40d sales. Which it might, but that doesn't stop Canon from making it.

Actually its not like saying that. What is important here is how cameras are positioned. The XSi is does not have the control as 40D or 5D or 1D has.

Nikon has shoot at Canon good. How does canon answer the D300. Its a camera that is akin to the 40D with 1D control's and 51 point AF. I don't see Canon doing that. The D3 is a 1D with Full Frame.

Maybe you could explain to me what Canon might do to improve the 5D that would not cannibalize the rest of the line?

If they don't increase the resolution - no diff
If they don't increase the speed - no diff
If they don't add 51 point AF - no diff
If they improve the LCD - no diff

They have to do more then one of these things. In doing that, they change the whole landscape of their camera line.

In other words, if they improve one of these it will not be enough to get people to buy it (except 51 point AF), if they improve several of these, then it cuts into the 1D series.

I still believe that there will be no 5D replacement.

David,

The 5D and the 1-series bodies are aimed at different markets. The 5D is for photographers who cannot afford (or justify the expense of?) the pro body, and/or who need something smaller and lighter and less er...sturdy(?) than Canon's pro bodies.

(And after looking at your signature, I had the following thoughts...)
I believe that a new version of the 5D which had similar performance to the Nikon D3 would in all likelihood NOT have much impact on Nikon D3 sales, as those cameras are aimed at different markets. The D300 is more in 5D territory.

The 5D is not a viable alternative to the 1DM3; the 5D is too delicate, too slow, and too high-res to be used for PJ and sports work.

The 5D MAY be a viable alternative to the 1DsM3, but there is a huge price gap between the two. Let me turn this around and ask you to answer your own question: Why does Canon sell ANY 1DsM3's, despite the presence of the mighty 5D?

Canon WILL either replace the 5D or update it; they will not be manufacturing the current 5D it in a year's time.

so basically Canon should just stop upgrading any of their cameras as it will hurt sales of one or another body

so we should all move to Nikon now!

TAZorich wrote in post #4924102
David,

The 5D and the 1-series bodies are aimed at different markets. The 5D is for photographers who cannot afford (or justify the expense of?) the pro body, and/or who need something smaller and lighter and less er...sturdy(?) than Canon's pro bodies.

Yes I understand this.

TAZorich wrote in post #4924102
(And after looking at your signature, I had the following thoughts...)
I believe that a new version of the 5D which had similar performance to the Nikon D3 would in all likelihood NOT have much impact on Nikon D3 sales, as those cameras are aimed at different markets. The D300 is more in 5D territory.

What I am looking for in a new 5D is more fps, better faster AF (21 point?). If the 5D MII has 16.7mp, 21 point AF, and 5fps, then I believe 1DsMIII sales would plummet.

TAZorich wrote in post #4924102
The 5D is not a viable alternative to the 1DM3; the 5D is too delicate, too slow, and too high-res to be used for PJ and sports work.

Agreed, but if they add sealing to the above and pump the fps to 8. It would be. Too high-res, I can cut it down to 6mp if you'd like.

TAZorich wrote in post #4924102
The 5D MAY be a viable alternative to the 1DsM3, but there is a huge price gap between the two. Let me turn this around and ask you to answer your own question: Why does Canon sell ANY 1DsM3's, despite the presence of the mighty 5D?

Remember I'm talking about a 5DMII, if it had the features above, would you pay extra (i.e. is the only difference was 51point AF vs 21 point AF).?

TAZorich wrote in post #4924102
Canon WILL either replace the 5D or update it; they will not be manufacturing the current 5D it in a year's time.

If your right, then the upgrade will be akin to the 30D and the MII labeling is unneeded. This is what I am trying to say, minor upgrading, means little.

If they were soo afraid of hurting 1Ds sales they would not have made the 5D in the first place.

There will be a 5D successor in time for photokina and I'm gonna buy it

jlvpeng wrote in post #4924394
so we should all move to Nikon now!

So you believe that Nikon's market placement does not affect Canon?

What I was trying to say was Nikon's additions create pressure that Canon has to respond too. What will that be?

I believe a minor meaningless upgrade to the 5D or a real upgrade that will Canonablize from the 1D series. They are not going to Canonablize from the 1D series.

BugEyes wrote in post #4925464
If they were soo afraid of hurting 1Ds sales they would not have made the 5D in the first place.

There will be a 5D successor in time for photokina and I'm gonna buy it

Its what we are waiting for, I'm just skeptical.

And the Fiero was killed so that it wouldn't hurt Corvette sales? Know any 'Vette owners that would be seen dead in a Fiero?

The 5D isn't being upgraded because Canon is doing something else. Thank god. I don't want version 94 of the same camera 10 years from now.

cosworth wrote in post #4925479
The 5D isn't being upgraded because Canon is doing something else. Thank god. I don't want version 94 of the same camera 10 years from now.

Now your talk'n. More likely a 3D, don't cha think?

3D - 12MP, 6.5fps, 21 point AF, sealed. Yeah.

davidfig wrote in post #4925608
Now your talk'n. More likely a 3D, don't cha think?

3D - 12MP, 6.5fps, 21 point AF, sealed. Yeah.

Would they really bring out a new model and not upgrade the sensor? Let's face it...the sensor is a couple of years old now.