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Nov 28, 2007 05:54 |  #226

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Well, I took my 20D to the camera shop to see which teleconverters would autofocus with my 400 f/5.6L. I already have the Canon MkII 1.4x and it will not AF with the 20D and 400 f/5.6L.

So I will list the ones I tried and whether or not they autofocused with a 20D and 400 f/5.6L:

Kenko Pro 300 1.4x DG: NO
Kenko Teleplus DG 1.5x: YES
Sigma 1.4x EX DG APO: NO
Tamron Tele-Converter SP AF 1.4x: NO
Tamron Tele-Converter AF 1.4x: YES

would i be correct in thinking this would be the sam suituation for the 350D, 400D, 30D and 40D?


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Nov 28, 2007 06:03 |  #227

BOUNCINGNRG wrote in post #4399631 (external link)
would i be correct in thinking this would be the sam suituation for the 350D, 400D, 30D and 40D?

Yep, it is only the Canon 1 series cameras that AF up to f8 all the others are f5.6.
The Canon 1.4 tc works pretty good with the 30D and 400mm f5.6 if you tape the pins on the tc ( taping takes a small piece of sellotape and about 30 seconds of your time).


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Dec 02, 2007 17:03 as a reply to  @ post 2329474 |  #228

I have a Canon 400d with the Sigma 70 - 300mm F4-5.6 lens. I'd previously bought the Olympus Tcon-17 and was wondering if there's a way to attach it to the Sigma lens? It doesn't just fit on (I suppose that's a given!), but does anybody know if there's an adaptor that would allow me to use it?




  
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Dec 03, 2007 15:22 |  #229

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I have a Canon 400d with the Sigma 70 - 300mm F4-5.6 lens. I'd previously bought the Olympus Tcon-17 and was wondering if there's a way to attach it to the Sigma lens? It doesn't just fit on (I suppose that's a given!), but does anybody know if there's an adaptor that would allow me to use it?

It seems to me a weird question.

The TC should be taken as inexpensive. The easy answer is to suggest you to buy a new TC. And if you buy a 1.4X TC and tape the reporting pins it will probably AF.

Now here it goes my weird answer.
To make this you will need an extension ring for EOS and a way to fix the optical elements of the TC inside the extension ring. Provisionaly you may try to do it with expanded polyestyrene or paper or whatever. But be careful of keeping the distances.

This remembers me something that some of you will find interesting:
HOW TO CHANGE THE POWER OF A TELECONVERTER
I had and still have the following MF material:
A Ricoh XR-X (it has a RK mount wich is a Pentax K modification).
A Hanimex 300mm f/5.6 catadioptric (AKA mirror) lens.
A Vivitar 2X (I bought it used).
A Pentax helicoidal extension ring.
Once upon a time I red at the old Modern Photography mag that you can change the power of a TC putting it closer to the lens or with a bigger space.
So I unscrew the nut wich fixes the optical elements from the TC.
After this, I unscrew the optical elements from the TC. At this moment I had the nut, the optical elements and the cylinder wich may be used as extension ring.
I found that the optical elements of the TC were assembled inside a cylinder covered with threaded metal, and the thread had the same screw size of the rear filter adapter of the Hanimex. They could share the same nut.
So I screwed half the depth of the nut of the lens, and screwed the TC on the other half.
In that way, I got the closest possible assembly with the lens and the TC elements. This is how you get the biggest power for a TC.
I had to extend a lot the Pentax helicoidal extension ring to get infinity focus again.
The result was something around a 4X TC, maybe even more.
Of course I lost a lot of light (4 stops, maybe even more).
Also I found that the focusing scale was "compressed": turning the ring very slightly the focusing distance changed from very close to infinity (or more than infinity) so it was very difficult to focus.

The idea in brief is that if you put the TC elements closer to the lens, you will get more power. But you will have to put a spacer between the-lens-and-TC-assembled and the camera mount, and you will have to adjust the distances. Maybe if you try it with a f/1.4 lens you will completely fool the AF, so think about it as a MF only possibility.

This is a very weird answer, maybe a bit out of the question, but not off topic. At least, that's what I hope. I'm sorry for the boring explanation.


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Dec 03, 2007 15:26 |  #230

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It seems to me a weird question.

The TC should be taken as inexpensive. The easy answer is to suggest you to buy a new TC. And if you buy a 1.4X TC and tape the reporting pins it will probably AF..

And if you buy a 1.4X TC and tape the reporting pins it MIGHT be able to successfully AF. 'Trying' is not the same as 'being successful'!


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Dec 03, 2007 15:33 |  #231

Wilt wrote in post #4433088 (external link)
And if you buy a 1.4X TC and tape the reporting pins it MIGHT be able to successfully AF. 'Trying' is not the same as 'being successful'!

I agree. The Canon's specifications are that you have to work with Canon's TCs, without taping pins, and to keep everything at f/5.6 or better. So I can't assure it will work.

But you may find reports of people who can AF with a 100-400 f/4-5.6 and a 1.4X non reporting TC in this same thread. So I think it is worth a try.


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Dec 05, 2007 14:38 as a reply to  @ Finger Appliance's post |  #232

I have both the 1.4x II and 2x II TC. Someone wants to sell me EF 100-300mm f/5.6L (stopped production in 1999) and I was wondering if I can use the 1.4x II TC (to get 420mm @ f/8) on such an old lens? Anyone have any empirical experience with it?


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Dec 05, 2007 20:35 |  #233

Ginman. You cant but no AF with either unless u have a 1D series?


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Dec 06, 2007 11:01 as a reply to  @ ANGUS's post |  #234

Oh it really not appealing in M-only mode to me thank!!


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Dec 06, 2007 15:25 |  #235

gjman wrote in post #4446188 (external link)
I have both the 1.4x II and 2x II TC. Someone wants to sell me EF 100-300mm f/5.6L (stopped production in 1999) and I was wondering if I can use the 1.4x II TC (to get 420mm @ f/8) on such an old lens? Anyone have any empirical experience with it?

Giman, If you have a DRebel/XXXD or a XXD (like a 30D) and you try to put a TC on a f/5.6 lens like the 100-300mm L:
a) if you put a reporting TC, it will not try to AF.
b) If you put a non-reporting 1.4X TC, the LENS+TC combo is out of Canon's specifications. I have read many posts reporting that it works, but no one will guarantee if it works in your special case. Here is a post reporting the 100-400mm f/4-5.6 keeping AF with a 1.5X non-reporting TC.
c) There is a Kenko 1.5X and a couple of TC 1.7X (Quantaray and Promaster). They fall between the case b and d, and they may work as in case b or may not as in case d.
d) If you put a non-reporting 2X TC, it will hunt trying to fetch AF but it will fail. The same (or even worse) with the Kenko Pro 3X. I''ll talk about why does it happen later.


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Dec 12, 2007 14:48 as a reply to  @ post 4342974 |  #236

I just finished skimming through this entire thread and I STILL don't have a definative answer to the following:

Using a 10D w/ 70-100 f/4 L which 1.4x converter (current models only) will maintain AF as well as allow me to shoot at f/4?

Oh, and my head hurts from all this reading.:confused:




  
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Dec 12, 2007 14:55 |  #237

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I just finished skimming through this entire thread and I STILL don't have a definative answer to the following:

Using a 10D w/ 70-100 f/4 L which 1.4x converter (current models only) will maintain AF as well as allow me to shoot at f/4?

Oh, and my head hurts from all this reading.:confused:

i dont know much about tc's at all but i dont believe any of them will let you shoot at your lenses max aperature, im pretty sure they all take like 2 stops off the top


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Dec 12, 2007 15:07 |  #238

Sumoto wrote in post #4491803 (external link)
I just finished skimming through this entire thread and I STILL don't have a definative answer to the following:

Using a 10D w/ 70-100 f/4 L which 1.4x converter (current models only) will maintain AF as well as allow me to shoot at f/4?

Oh, and my head hurts from all this reading.:confused:

Any of them will retain AF. None of them will allow you to shoot at f/4 - the laws of optics dictate that a 1.4x TC will lose you 1 stop. There are some TCs that don't let the camera know about the loss of 1 stop, but that doesn't mean that you haven't lost that stop.


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Dec 12, 2007 15:18 |  #239

Sumoto wrote in post #4491803 (external link)
I just finished skimming through this entire thread and I STILL don't have a definative answer to the following:

Using a 10D w/ 70-100 f/4 L which 1.4x converter (current models only) will maintain AF as well as allow me to shoot at f/4?

Oh, and my head hurts from all this reading.:confused:

With an f/4 prime, ANY of the 1.4x convertors will work with your camera, because the effective lens speed (even with a 'reporting' convertor) is f/5.6
You will be shooting with an f/5.6 lens, NOT an f/4 lens, when using the combination!

With an f/4 lens, a 2x convertor will work with your camera if a) it is a non-reporting convertor, or b) it has its pins taped so that body is fooled about the effective lens speed. You will be shooting with an f/8 lens, but the body will think it has an f/4 lens!


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Dec 13, 2007 04:05 |  #240

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #286004 (external link)
II: SIGMA Teleconverters (external link)

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*1 With 1.4x APO Tele Converter, AF can operate at distances more than 1.2m from the subject. If the subject is closer than 1.2m, only MF is available.

*2 When the Tele Converter is attached, the zoom range will be restricted to between 100mm to 500mm.

EX lens Compatibility --------------- 30D/5D/350D* -- 1D series*
- Usable lenses - -
*1 APO MACRO 150mm f2.8 EX HSM ---------- AF/MF MF ------ AF/MF - ??*


I'd like to share my experience with Sigma EX tc 1.4 + Sigma 150 Macro.
Unless pins are tapped, the lens will switch off AF if the subject is at less than 40cm. AF will resume only if the focus ring is manually turned beyond that distance.
The only place this (disturbing) behavior is documented that I found was a printed Sigma catalog.
Needless to say I have the pins taped on my tc....


Question: Has anyone ever tried the Sigma 150 with a kenko or tamron tc (I heard that on Nikon AF hunts a lot)?
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