Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Digital Cameras 
Thread started 28 Feb 2008 (Thursday) 10:53
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

...Tail Between My Legs...

 
almo
Goldmember
Avatar
1,088 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 13
Joined Aug 2005
Location: Portland, ME
     
Feb 28, 2008 10:53 |  #1

So, after about 2 months, and several thousand frames after I sold my Canon D60 and bought a Pentax K10D, I am now quietly slinking back to Canon with my tail between my legs. Two nights ago I pulled out my card and ordered a 30D. Then I put the Pentax up on ebay (external link). This, I must say, has been quite the learning experience, and while I have no particular brand loyalty, I think extream brand preference is starting to dawn on me.

I have made bogus claims before about never switching again, especially after the Olympus incident of early '06, but this time I think I have enough experience behind me to sick to my guns. There are just too many factors that make Canon my camera of choice. Not the least of which are build, fit, and image quaility. At this point I don't expect anyone to believe me when I say I will never switch again, so I won't. All I will say is, it would take one hell of a camera. We are talking like an $800 25MP MF Mamiya MF-DSLR here. Yeah right. Even then I wouldn't want to get rid of my 35mm type DSLR I wouldn't think.

All hail Canon!


If you saw a man drowning and you could either save him or photograph the event...what lens would you use?

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
DVS_WiNdz
Cream of the Crop
9,835 posts
Joined Jan 2007
Location: New York, NY
     
Feb 28, 2008 10:57 |  #2

Welcome back! :)


Stephen L.
Gear list

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
gjl711
Wait.. you can't unkill your own kill.
Avatar
57,729 posts
Likes: 4064
Joined Aug 2006
Location: Deep in the heart of Texas
     
Feb 28, 2008 11:01 |  #3

No need to keep your tail between your legs… unless you like it there. ;):)


Not sure why, but call me JJ.
I used to hate math but then I realised decimals have a point.
.
::Flickr:: (external link)
::Gear::

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Quad
Goldmember
Avatar
1,872 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Nov 2005
     
Feb 28, 2008 11:08 |  #4

Care to briefly outline what you didn't (and did) like about the olympus and pentax systems? Maybe even a bit about what made you go through the expense to swtich and why that was not enough or failed to meet expectations. I am sure others would like to hear from your experience and would benefit from your pain.

So what about them there nikons? j/k :)




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Mark_Cohran
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
15,790 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 2382
Joined Jul 2002
Location: Portland, Oregon
     
Feb 28, 2008 15:30 |  #5

Welcome back, and like Quad, I'd be interested in the details of what made you decide to switch back.


Mark
-----
Some primes, some zooms, some Ls, some bodies and they all play nice together.
Forty years of shooting and still learning.
My Twitter (external link) (NSFW)
Follow Me on Instagram (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Phil ­ Light
"manly fragrance,.. involuntarily celibate"
Avatar
2,218 posts
Likes: 21
Joined Oct 2006
Location: Indianapolis, IN
     
Feb 28, 2008 15:34 |  #6

almo wrote in post #5013156 (external link)
...I have made bogus claims before about never switching again...

Here's what you do. Spend a bunch of money on Canon L glass and you won't ever again have to worry about whether you should try a different brand. :lol:


Please disregard all opinions in this post
Gear

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
gary88
Goldmember
Avatar
4,011 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 333
Joined Jun 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
     
Feb 28, 2008 15:48 |  #7

Phil Light wrote in post #5014917 (external link)
Here's what you do. Spend a bunch of money on Canon L glass and you won't ever again have to worry about whether you should try a different brand. :lol:

Quoted for truth!


www.garyhebdingjr.com (external link)|Flickr  (external link)IGear List|Alamy | (external link)Instagram: @garyhebding

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
archaeoman
Senior Member
Avatar
752 posts
Joined Mar 2007
Location: NW.PA
     
Feb 28, 2008 16:13 |  #8

:D

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: NOT FOUND | MIME changed to 'image/png' | Redirected to error image by ZENFOLIO PROTECTED



  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
tonylong
...winded
Avatar
54,657 posts
Gallery: 60 photos
Likes: 570
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Vancouver, WA USA
     
Feb 28, 2008 16:16 |  #9

Dude, before you make that kind of rash committment, you better try the Dark Side and get a Nikon D300.

Just kidding...or am I:)?


Tony
Two Canon cameras (5DC, 30D), three Canon lenses (24-105, 100-400, 100mm macro)
Tony Long Photos on PBase (external link)
Wildlife project pics here (external link), Biking Photog shoots here (external link), "Suburbia" project here (external link)! Mount St. Helens, Mount Hood pics here (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
dave ­ kadolph
"Fix the cigarette lighter"
Avatar
6,140 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Joined Mar 2007
Location: West Michigan--166.33 miles to the Cook County courthouse
     
Feb 28, 2008 16:17 as a reply to  @ archaeoman's post |  #10

Welcome home!

Inquiring minds want to know?


Middle age is when you can finally afford the things that a young man could truly enjoy.
Tools of the trade

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
EcoRick
Goldmember
1,863 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Nov 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
     
Feb 28, 2008 16:54 as a reply to  @ dave kadolph's post |  #11

Thanks for the post. I'd be interested to hear why you're making the switch back as well.


Gear: Canon 1Ds MkII, 35L, 85L, 135L, 24-105L

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
chauncey
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
9,696 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 467
Joined Jun 2007
Location: MI/CO
     
Feb 28, 2008 16:59 as a reply to  @ EcoRick's post |  #12

Hallalula...this child has seen the light! :D


The things you do for yourself die with you, the things you do for others live forever.
A man's worth should be judged, not when he basks in the sun, but how he faces the storm.

My stuff...http://1x.com/member/c​hauncey43 (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
MX962
Senior Member
Avatar
388 posts
Joined Nov 2007
Location: Idaho
     
Feb 28, 2008 19:26 |  #13

gary88 wrote in post #5014993 (external link)
Quoted for truth!

Double that what they said :)


Canon 5DmkII ~ 40D ~ 10D
https://photography-on-the.net …brand*]My%20Fli​ckr[*/url] http://www.facebook.co​m …700446775002?cr​eated#%21/ (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
almo
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,088 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 13
Joined Aug 2005
Location: Portland, ME
     
Mar 01, 2008 13:22 as a reply to  @ MX962's post |  #14

Hey guys,

Thanks for all the great feedback.

I have been putting off returning to this thread to make this post, because the reasons are so personal to me. I really don't want to come off as though I I am bashing Pentax or Olympus. They are both great camera brands, and they both offer some really awesome cameras.

But, and there is always a but isn't there, they just didn't do it for me. I will start of by saying why I switched, both times. It was really for the same reasons. There are three factors which equate to photographic happiness for me: Cost, fit/feel, and of course, out put, or final product. Canon has always offered me the best balance between the latter two, but cost has always been an issue. I am a perpetual college student, and I just don't have the money for expensive lenses and bodies. So, as a consequence, even though I have loved my Canons, my eyes were always open for a system that would be a better fit in terms of all three factors. Olympus became the first contender when I discovered the E-500. Though it was a step down in terms of build quality, and not in the semi pro level of my D60, I thought, what the hell and bought into it. At first it was great, it was new, it made beautiful images. Then it began to dawn on me how small this dinky little camera really was. How hard it was for me to hold onto it, I have huge hands. The small VF really started to nag me, and the lack of a rear selection dial and no sync port were becoming real issues. I was willing, however, to deal with these drawback, in hopes that I could someday upgrade to whatever pro model Oly would soon put out in the future. That was however until I really started looking at IQ. I couldn't shoot over ISO320 and get anything I was really happy with. This coupled with no real PP adjustment latitude killed Oly for me. So I sold it and bought my 2nd D60.

Flash to almost one year later and the old demons are knocking at my door. Only this time I have a little bit more money to play with. The 30D was my first choice, the 20D was my second. But cost held me back. I would not have been able to sell my D60/batterygrip and get the 20d/30d without selling my lenses too. At the time both cameras were going for more than they are now. Just a few months have passed, but the market has dropped big.

So I started to look at the K10D, and I really got very excited. Weather seals, dust reduction (which doesn't seem to work), and internal shake reduction! Wow! I was sold. So I sold off all of my Canon stuff for $850, and too an additional $500 I had and bought a Pentax system. The body, 3 lenses, 3 batteries, batterygrip, SD memory, the works. And I did this all sight unseen. I knew it was a risk, but when the camera arrived I was so relieved. It was beautiful. Felt great. Just awesome.

Then I tried it out and felt immediate disappointment. I couldn't get a decent image with teh thing. The meter was my biggest issue. It just doesn't work well. It wants to over expose everything, and the slightest bit of compensation makes everything so underexposed that it is almost not worth it. This is a real thinking man's camera. You have to really plan out the shot before you take it, or the light will just be all wrong. For me the K10D worked best when shooting stationary subjects that I had time to sit around and think about. But, I am a nature photographer, I love to shoot fast moving animals. Birds, lizards, snakes, deer, you name it. This camera just doesn't meter in a way that lets me give that function over to the camera so that I can focus on just getting the shot. Focus was also an issue. I have read as much as 45% miss rates have been experienced. I wouldn't go that far, but 25-30%, yeah. And, it is worse in IA servo, I couldn't ever track a subject that was moving faster than a slow walk.

The feel of the camera was pretty good at first, but soon I started to find the weaknesses of the design, again these are in my view only. The buttons are not very well placed and even about a couple of months I am still hunting for them, or even tilting the camera to find them. The camera is small, too small, and even with the grip on it feels small. I have to leave the grip turned off unless I am using it because in normal operation the bottom of my hand actuates the shutter release and either screws with my focus or shoots a frame when I am not ready. That NEVER happened with my Canons. Still, like the Oly before it, I was willing to overlook these issues. But, the one thing that I had tried to ignore from the get go finally caught up with me. Image quality is just not there. I suppose if I had the best lenses available it might have been better, but I was shooting with some fairly decent glass, and even my friends who know nothing about photography were commenting on how much less detailed my images were. How they looked fuzzy, or just not on, and I also noticed a difference in color that really began to bug me after awhile. IQ is the most important issue for any photographer, and in both cases it is the thing that has brought me back to Canon.

There are those who can except lesser image quality in order to own other cameras. There are those who don't see what I do. But, in the end, it's the one thing I can get past. Canon, as I see it, is the best in terms of IQ. When I look at my Canon images I see what I like. When I look at the images from my other cameras, I don't. Now this may seem an arbitrary distinction to most, but to me it's very important.

In the end it all comes down to, are you happy with your equipment, and no, I am not. I was with Canon, yet I went for what looked like greener grass anyway. And, as a consequence, I have learned a valuable lesson. Don't try to fix what ain't broken.


If you saw a man drowning and you could either save him or photograph the event...what lens would you use?

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

2,582 views & 0 likes for this thread, 13 members have posted to it.
...Tail Between My Legs...
FORUMS Cameras, Lenses & Accessories Canon Digital Cameras 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is MWCarlsson
991 guests, 145 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.