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Sep 19, 2008 14:19 |  #3406

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I photograph lots of birds with my 5D, generally using my 100-400L at its longest. I would say you need to get the lens that'll do the job, but then the IQ and low noise will help you with your cropping.

I'd try to work out what focal length you mostly use for birds with your 40D, then decide what prime focal length would do that job properly for you. Convert that number to the FF equivalent and then see whether there exists a prime lens that'll do the job. Better, cheaper and lighter than a comparable zoom covering the same range. Obviously err slightly on the side of being a bit wider.

I wouldn't get too fast a lens, as it bumps up both price and weight enormously. I don't have problems with the f5.6 my lens gives me, and so long as I've shot RAW I can compensate quite easily for quite a lot of backlight.

I turn off all AF points bar one and restrict metering to that point, so i can ensure the bird is properly exposed regardless of it's surroundings & background. Doesn't always work, of course!

Back in film days I used a reflex (mirror) lens for this sort of work, and was very pleased with the results I got from a relatively inexpensive lens (I haven't even seen my FD gear for several years and can't remember what the lens was, but I think it was a 500 f8 Sigma). But no-one seems to use reflex lenses with digital cameras so they aren't to be found anywhere - I wonder why that is?

how do you restrict metering to that point?


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Sep 19, 2008 14:19 |  #3407

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Just give it some time. I'm sure you will see lots of them up for sale, in the next month, or so, before the new one is brought to market. Just be on the lookout, that's all.

working on my funds right now, cnt decide if im letting go of my 40D or keep it as a 2nd body. for now, i'll be w8tng for the right deal.=D thanks for the thought


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Sep 19, 2008 14:21 |  #3408

^If the 40D is paid off, might as well just keep it. Best of both worlds.


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Sep 19, 2008 15:21 as a reply to  @ inthedeck's post |  #3409

chardinej wrote in post #6340671 (external link)
Quick question about the 5D (I'm a 40D owner but very interested in FF): If you convert the 12 mp of the 5D into a 1.6 crop factor camera, the 5D would be about a 5 mp body. I am a bird photographer and use a long lens and often zoom in on the image for the final crop. How does the relatively low pixel density of the 5D affect the rendering of small detail like bird's eyes? Is this more than compensated for by reduced noise etc?


I own a 40D and 5D. If I'm looking for reach the 40D uncropped easily beats the 5D cropped in terms of IQ. But if you don't need to crop, the 5D trumps the 40D... Basically I use my 40D as a digital TC when I run out of lens on the 5D...

here's somewhat of an example:
5D with a 300 f4, first shot at420, second at 600, third at 840:

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same lens on a 40D at 300 (see how that's almost the same as 420 on the 5D?), 420, 600 and 840:
IMAGE: http://gear.benjacobsenphoto.com/wp-content/gallery/300l/img_0065-4-moons.jpg

that's NO CROPPING... so the details when not at 800px wide for the web are pretty incredible, but the 40D can easily outdo the 5D when you need reach.

FYI, I'm considering selling both though for the 5Dii. With it's 21mp, when you crop it down to 1.6 sizes, it's still a 9mp image. So that at 9mp -vs- the 40D at 10mp, it doesn't really make sense to keep both. I'm selling the 5D now and I'll be getting the 5Dii when I can, then I'll run it cropped -vs- the 40D to see if there's any reason to keep it. I don't need the fps, so right now that's the only reason I see.

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Sep 19, 2008 15:28 |  #3410

inthedeck wrote in post #6341888 (external link)
^If the 40D is paid off, might as well just keep it. Best of both worlds.

i have my wifes xsi, i dnt need 2 1.6. we'll see


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Sep 19, 2008 16:28 as a reply to  @ thrash_273's post |  #3411

I added the border effect (obviously) in photoshop. I wish that damn chair wasn't sitting there under the front of the horn. Oh well, gotta be on the lookout for stuff like that.

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Sep 19, 2008 18:14 |  #3412

Looks like you have enough bricks around the horn to use to clone out the chair in Photoshop and the picture looks like it is worth the effort.




  
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Sep 19, 2008 18:44 |  #3413

Playing with the Rayflash and 16-35L.


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Sep 19, 2008 19:18 |  #3414

Natural light versus artificial light: how's this look?


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Sep 20, 2008 00:13 |  #3415

Sfordphoto wrote in post #6341875 (external link)
how do you restrict metering to that point?

Your skepticism is well placed. I was thinking of another camera, dare I say a compact, which does have that capability. The 5D does not. Thanks for the (implied) correction!


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Sep 20, 2008 09:25 |  #3416

dtplink wrote in post #6343004 (external link)
Looks like you have enough bricks around the horn to use to clone out the chair in Photoshop and the picture looks like it is worth the effort.

Yea, I was thinking the same thing. I really want to just take the lazy way out and leave it as is, but the hours of retouching have been calling.



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Sep 20, 2008 22:46 |  #3417

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I own a 40D and 5D. If I'm looking for reach the 40D uncropped easily beats the 5D cropped in terms of IQ. But if you don't need to crop, the 5D trumps the 40D... Basically I use my 40D as a digital TC when I run out of lens on the 5D...

here's somewhat of an example:
5D with a 300 f4, first shot at420, second at 600, third at 840:
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same lens on a 40D at 300 (see how that's almost the same as 420 on the 5D?), 420, 600 and 840:
QUOTED IMAGE

that's NO CROPPING... so the details when not at 800px wide for the web are pretty incredible, but the 40D can easily outdo the 5D when you need reach.

FYI, I'm considering selling both though for the 5Dii. With it's 21mp, when you crop it down to 1.6 sizes, it's still a 9mp image. So that at 9mp -vs- the 40D at 10mp, it doesn't really make sense to keep both. I'm selling the 5D now and I'll be getting the 5Dii when I can, then I'll run it cropped -vs- the 40D to see if there's any reason to keep it. I don't need the fps, so right now that's the only reason I see.

Please somebody archive this! I get so tired of 1.6x format bashing and people simply arguing that you should crop your 5d and it will turn out the same. It is not true in my experience either.

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Sep 21, 2008 01:29 as a reply to  @ lbennett's post |  #3418

Chairs taken out. Still needs some touching up....... I don't know.... Something about it seems too neat.

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Sep 21, 2008 03:04 |  #3419

Another two photos to show that I am an avid flash photographer.


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Sep 21, 2008 03:45 |  #3420

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I'll sell ya mine in December :)

That's ok. :) I'm gonna get me one of those 5D MK IIs! :)




  
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