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Keep XT and buy the Sigma 10-20mm or Tamron 17-50mm
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Mar 02, 2008 18:57 |  #16

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Y...the 40D does have the edge, not to mention higher dynamic range.....

Actually, the 350D has a higher dynamic range than the 40D.
350D = 13.5 stops
40D = 13.3 stops

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Mar 02, 2008 19:02 |  #17

gjl711 wrote in post #5035581 (external link)
Actually, the 350D has a higher dynamic range than the 40D.
350D = 13.5 stops
40D = 13.3 stops

http://www.clarkvision​.com …/index.html#dyn​amic_range (external link)

Whew! Thanks for the info, I think I got mixed up on information.


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Mar 02, 2008 19:20 |  #18

EOSBoy wrote in post #5035614 (external link)
Whew! Thanks for the info, I think I got mixed up on information.

Going into the photo business with other people. You are a brave soul. The XT will give you a good starter for the business. When the business gets serious you will probably have to upgrade. Until then, I agree with the others, get a better lens for professional work. I am about through setting up a portrait studio and will start experiementing with sample photos for a portfolio soon. When I am satisfied that I know what I am doing I will start up the business, but no partners for me other than my lovely wife. I am starting with the XT, knowing that I will probably replace it sometime in the future but I believe that my lens situation is good.

Good luck in your endeavor.



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Mar 02, 2008 20:03 |  #19

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Going into the photo business with other people. You are a brave soul. The XT will give you a good starter for the business. When the business gets serious you will probably have to upgrade. Until then, I agree with the others, get a better lens for professional work. I am about through setting up a portrait studio and will start experiementing with sample photos for a portfolio soon. When I am satisfied that I know what I am doing I will start up the business, but no partners for me other than my lovely wife. I am starting with the XT, knowing that I will probably replace it sometime in the future but I believe that my lens situation is good.

Good luck in your endeavor.

Working with other people is indeed going to be harder. I feel I have more knowledge and experience so I'll probably be the 'go-to' guy. By getting my hands dirty with any sort of business be it solo or group, at least I'll come out with experience and some money.
This is a hard decision and I keep going back and forth...I can get a Tamron 17-50mm which has a lot of positive feedback in a couple days...And by doing so, it's basically giving my XT another chance to redeem its self and I suppose using the kit lens, I haven't really given it a chance.

On the other hand, it's inevitable that I'll be purchasing a new body in the future. But I suppose if I do it too soon, I won't have enough to buy lens which would make the purchase kind of pointless. I guess I can see it through and hope this new business will pay for itself in terms of new gear.
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Mar 02, 2008 23:04 |  #20

gjl711 wrote in post #5035581 (external link)
Actually, the 350D has a higher dynamic range than the 40D.
350D = 13.5 stops
40D = 13.3 stops

http://www.clarkvision​.com …/index.html#dyn​amic_range (external link)

Interesting... Is that in anyway related to the difference in pixel density of each sensor?

edit: I just read the section of the article in reference to my question, which leads me to ask another - Are the added 14 bit converter and new processor just a way to compensate for the smaller pixels of a crop sensor?


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Mar 03, 2008 08:47 |  #21

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Interesting... Is that in anyway related to the difference in pixel density of each sensor?

edit: I just read the section of the article in reference to my question, which leads me to ask another - Are the added 14 bit converter and new processor just a way to compensate for the smaller pixels of a crop sensor?

14 bits gives a lot more color data to work with so that the transitions from one color are much smoother especially in the darker areas.


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Mar 03, 2008 12:31 |  #22

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Working with other people is indeed going to be harder. I feel I have more knowledge and experience so I'll probably be the 'go-to' guy. By getting my hands dirty with any sort of business be it solo or group, at least I'll come out with experience and some money.
This is a hard decision and I keep going back and forth...I can get a Tamron 17-50mm which has a lot of positive feedback in a couple days...And by doing so, it's basically giving my XT another chance to redeem its self and I suppose using the kit lens, I haven't really given it a chance.

On the other hand, it's inevitable that I'll be purchasing a new body in the future. But I suppose if I do it too soon, I won't have enough to buy lens which would make the purchase kind of pointless. I guess I can see it through and hope this new business will pay for itself in terms of new gear.
Patience was never really a part of me, but I gotta play it smart...

I looked at your portraits and I am impressed, your lighting is very good and you got great results from a kit lens. You are going to do well. Think about this, try renting a lens that you might be interested in purchasing and see what you think.



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Mar 03, 2008 17:01 |  #23

I'm in pretty much the same boat, i'm staying with the XT only for monetary reasons but can't wait to hit the 40D... i did notice a huge difference even going from the Kit lens to a Tamron... if glass isn't everything, it's very close.




  
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Mar 03, 2008 18:38 |  #24

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I looked at your portraits and I am impressed, your lighting is very good and you got great results from a kit lens. You are going to do well. Think about this, try renting a lens that you might be interested in purchasing and see what you think.

Hey, thanks! :D
I decided to go for the Tamron 17-50mm f\2.8-4
I'll save up for lenses first because they usually don't go down in price and hold their value and make the biggest difference in IQ. As much as I want to go with the 40D I won't be able to afford one in a bout 1 month or more so...And I'd have to sell my XT set to put into a lens..

I consider myself extremely hard to satisfy and I always want more and that'll have to change because I don't want to end up broke and in regret. So I'm staying with XT and saving for glass until my XT cannot keep up with me as I progress. I'll work with what I got and let the business pay for itself or if I get another job...$$$ :D


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Mar 03, 2008 21:26 |  #25

I have the XT, and had the same size issue. Buy the battery grip. HUGE difference. Mine hasn't come off since I bought it.

The kit lens and the XT are capable of some incredible images when under control of a capable shooter. What exactly is is that you're not happy with?

Also.. you're not telling us what you're shooting. Advice on what would be the smartest buy is going to largely depend on what you're expecting to capture.

A quick look at your portrait studio from your flickr gives me the impression that a 50mm f/1.8 would have been a good investment. I'd also consider a good sturdy tripod if I were you.


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Mar 03, 2008 21:51 |  #26

ChrisRabior wrote in post #5043306 (external link)
I have the XT, and had the same size issue. Buy the battery grip. HUGE difference. Mine hasn't come off since I bought it.

The kit lens and the XT are capable of some incredible images when under control of a capable shooter. What exactly is is that you're not happy with?

Also.. you're not telling us what you're shooting. Advice on what would be the smartest buy is going to largely depend on what you're expecting to capture.

A quick look at your portrait studio from your flickr gives me the impression that a 50mm f/1.8 would have been a good investment. I'd also consider a good sturdy tripod if I were you.

I considered the prime, if I were to go for a prime tho, I'd get the 50mm f\1.4, but in my case I don't mainly shoot portraits, and actually... It's my least favorite (unless I shoot hot babes and make good $$$)...
I have a tripod...A crappy one designed for video cameras, and holy crap, going horizontal on this beast is like a fight to the death to bend the spring loaded handle in horizontal position.
What I like to shoot is mostly event pictures, be it candid/photojournalism and Urban cityscape fa sho...Some landscaping too. I may need to invest in low light lens down the line but I need versatility for now.


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Mar 04, 2008 01:02 as a reply to  @ EOSBoy's post |  #27

i have the XTI with grip (a must!)my 1st DSLR and still learning the camera but have taken some awsome pictures wth the XTI.I didnt even mess with the kit lens.Went out and bought the tamron 17-50 F2.8.Great lens.Then spent the bank roll on the canon 70-200L f2.8.Tryed a buddies canon 17-55 F2.8 IS and had to buy one that same day i was that impressed.So my 2 cents is to buy glass!!i can take just as good pics with my XTI! Glass is your friend.;)
Buy the way i will sell the tamron if interested.


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Mar 05, 2008 02:08 |  #28

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Buy the way i will sell the tamron if interested.

Hahah priceless - good salesmanship mate - i love it.




  
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Mar 05, 2008 02:20 |  #29

Personally I feel that Canon are going to pull a fairly large rabbit out the hat pretty soon, to give an answer to nikon's D300 and D3 offerings. the 5D is overdue for a facelift/upgrade too.

I'll go against the majority and say, upgrade your glass for now. The 40D won't take any better pictures for you, and you already said you felt the kit lens was hindering you. I think there is a real gem just round the corner, and the time period between models is getting ever shorter.

OR - do what I'd do and get a 0% on purchases card and get the lenses and the camera outright - I have no patience, unfortunately.


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Mar 05, 2008 04:43 |  #30

personally, wouldnt buy for build quality, would buy a new body for functionality (features). i had my xti for more than a year, and thought i was a fast learner. guess you are faster


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