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5D (second body) or 35L & 50/1.4?

 
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Mar 09, 2008 14:43 |  #1

Here's an interesting (which way should I go).

I'm almost saved up to get a 35L - always wanted it, but I find myself wondering if I should consider a 5D as a second body.

I have 3 outstanding lenses for my 40D:

24-105L - my walk-around
70-200 f/2.8L
85 f/1.8

and a 580EX II

The 35L and 10-22mm would fill in a critical space for me with my (young) children - Non-flash low-light capability - and also a fabulous wide-angle for crop. The 85mm f/1.8 is great, but definitely long indoors on my crop....

Here's the dilemma:

Getting a 5D body almost "doubles" my lenses in a way:
24-105L is wide and on a 5D format is simply "wow". I still have the 580EX II, so lack of built-in flash is no big deal.
85mm f/1.8 is more usable inside, and what a portrait lens on a 5D
70-200mm, although great on a 5D, still has 1.6x the reach on my 40D, and as far as speed, fps, etc., is a great match on the 40D

Getting lenses:
35L - well, it's my "dream" lens. On my 40D, it would be plenty wide enough for me (I've set my 24-105L to 35mm and walked around with it indoors to get a feel) and at f/1.4, wow. It would spend significant time on my 40D
10-22mm - 16mm FOV equivalent, and I'd have a blast with this angle. I have done a fair amount of stitching for landscapes when needed, though.

Lenses-wise, there's other options, I know. I've discounted the Sigma 30mm, especially since eventually I will pick up a full-frame, so I'm going to stay with non EF-S, with the only exception being 10-22mm (since there's no EF equivalent)

I'm not really interested in selling my 40D either. It has features that I know the 5D doesn't, so I'd be a two-body solution.

My budget is limited to $1,700, with an absolute cap at $2,000.

Anyone in similar circumstances?


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Mar 09, 2008 14:51 |  #2

djeuch, on the 5d, the 50 1.4 at f2, will be as good as the 35L on 40D. The 5D is an amazing camera, and can be had used for around 1500. Just check out fred miranda. You already have the 24-105, which is an amazing walk around lens on the 5D. The 70-200 is a fabulous portrait lens on the 5D. you will find all of your lenses look sharper (at least in the center) rendering more detail on the 5D. You will realize it is perfectly fine to shoot at iso 1250 or even 1600 on 5D. I know its against conventional wisdom to take a body over lens, but instead of investing in the 10-22, buy the 5D, and use it with your current lens setup. If you wanted to go landscape, and wanted to save money, you can pick up the sigma 15-30, or tamron 17-35 for very little money, look on amazon, I think both are going in the 300 neighborhood.


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Mar 09, 2008 19:30 |  #3

If I got the 5D, eventually I'd get a 17-40L for landscape shots... problem is the "eventually" part could be another year.... Hard decisions....


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Mar 09, 2008 22:37 |  #4

djeuch wrote in post #5081351 (external link)
If I got the 5D, eventually I'd get a 17-40L for landscape shots... problem is the "eventually" part could be another year.... Hard decisions....

djeuch:

I grew up in Yardley, so say 'Hi' to the old 'hood' for me.

I'm in a similar situation as you. As you can see from my equip, we have pretty much the same stuff.

I too am saving for 'something', but I'm not sure what. I shoot mostly sports, so I'm lusting after the 300 2.8. I'm also ready to go up to a 5D or 1DmkIII. The 5D and 300 2.8 are within reach, but the 1DmkIII is still a way away.

I rented the 5D a while back and LOVED IT! WOW! But, the 40D is actually better for most of the sports I shoot.

I'm really reticent about getting a 5D now because I get the feeling the upgraded 5D will be coming out in the next 6 months. I bought my 30D about 5 months ago and then BAM -- The 40D came out 2 months after I got my 30D. GRRR...

IMHO, if you can live with the heart-break of a new 5D coming out in November 2008, get a 5D now, and start saving for the 17-40. Good luck!


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Mar 24, 2008 15:16 |  #5

Ok... getting closer. I'm up to $900 saved... so...

35L, and then eventually 10-22mm?

or save up for a 5D and a 17-40L?


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Mar 24, 2008 16:56 |  #6

17-40 on my 5D! MMmmmmmm!


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Mar 24, 2008 17:16 as a reply to  @ adam LC's post |  #7

24mm wider than the 17mm?

If you shoot panos with a 24mm lens in the portrait or vertical position, you will get the same top to bottom angle of view as if you were shooting with a 16mm lens. The left to right angle of view simply depends on how many exposures you desire.

IMO, a pano with a bit longer focal length beats the heck out of an image shot with an ultra wide lens - except if a prominent foreground subject is included.

Here is a good example of a pano vs. wide angle shot:

http://forums.dpreview​.com …rum=1018&messag​e=17572474 (external link)


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Mar 24, 2008 17:25 |  #8

If you get a 5D, your 40D is gonna quickly become your 'second body' ;). For now, the 5D + your current lenses, will be awesome, and like you said, will 'double' your lens collection. You'll have a true wide angle in the 24-70, a marvellous short portrait lens in the 85, and the 70-200 will double in its usefulness.

The 35L can come later, but my gosh that's a fine lens.


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Mar 25, 2008 05:52 |  #9

RPCrowe wrote in post #5182373 (external link)
If you shoot panos with a 24mm lens in the portrait or vertical position, you will get the same top to bottom angle of view as if you were shooting with a 16mm lens. The left to right angle of view simply depends on how many exposures you desire.

IMO, a pano with a bit longer focal length beats the heck out of an image shot with an ultra wide lens - except if a prominent foreground subject is included.

Here is a good example of a pano vs. wide angle shot:

http://forums.dpreview​.com …rum=1018&messag​e=17572474 (external link)

I understand the point you make and the photo is a good example of that. But it's not why I would use the UWA lens, I would be after (for example) long exposure shots of a small stream with the camera in portrait format on a tripod angled downwards, with the intention of capturing foreground to sky. So the pano idea doesn't work there.


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Mar 25, 2008 06:57 |  #10

I'd just get the lenses.


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Mar 25, 2008 09:16 |  #11

5D all day...


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Mar 25, 2008 11:46 |  #12

djeuch wrote in post #5079750 (external link)
I'm going to stay with non EF-S, with the only exception being 10-22mm (since there's no EF equivalent)

Let me just remind you of the Sigma 12-24mm, which isn't a crop-lens, so it will also work when you eventually go full frame, and just think about how wide it will be!


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Mar 25, 2008 14:08 |  #13

I know the 35L is dreamy, but I think I may have an interesting idea...

Get the 5D and try a 50 1.4. This will give you about the same FL as the 35L on your 40D. If you still want the 35L consider getting a Sigma 30 1.4. I have a Sigma 30 1.4 that I use and LOVE on my 300D.

Just throwing some more options out there...


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Mar 25, 2008 14:20 |  #14

I never understood the desire people have for a second body. Unless you're a pro, why waste your money? If you want the 5D more, get it and sell your 40D for the 35mm.




  
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Mar 25, 2008 14:21 |  #15

adamlc wrote in post #5182221 (external link)
17-40 on my 5D! MMmmmmmm!

perryge wrote in post #5182430 (external link)
If you get a 5D, your 40D is gonna quickly become your 'second body' ;). For now, the 5D + your current lenses, will be awesome, and like you said, will 'double' your lens collection. You'll have a true wide angle in the 24-70, a marvellous short portrait lens in the 85, and the 70-200 will double in its usefulness.

The 35L can come later, but my gosh that's a fine lens.

scot079 wrote in post #5186330 (external link)
I'd just get the lenses.

bigbaby987 wrote in post #5186970 (external link)
5D all day...

Ha ha... lots of 5Ds, but still a few "lens" votes... Not making the decision any easier!

Kristian wrote in post #5187955 (external link)
Let me just remind you of the Sigma 12-24mm, which isn't a crop-lens, so it will also work when you eventually go full frame, and just think about how wide it will be!

Thought about it, but the CA on that lens scares me, and it's already an issue on APS-C format.

Rhinotherunt wrote in post #5188775 (external link)
I know the 35L is dreamy, but I think I may have an interesting idea...

Get the 5D and try a 50 1.4. This will give you about the same FL as the 35L on your 40D. If you still want the 35L consider getting a Sigma 30 1.4. I have a Sigma 30 1.4 that I use and LOVE on my 300D.

Just throwing some more options out there...

That's interesting... adds minimum expense, but the 50/1.4 although similar in effective FL, just isn't in the same league as the 35L... but still - this could a a stop-gap measure to get both the effective FL and 5D.

Although, a 35L on a 5D... D'oh... I don't have that much $$$!


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