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"Chopped off" bokeh with 50mm f/1.4 on 400D

 
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Mar 10, 2008 16:13 |  #1

Hello, does anyone else see parts of the bokeh get chopped off with their 50mm at f/1.4 when using a 1.6 crop body? I put mine on my 400D and took shots of some lights at maximum aperture. The following was taken at far-focus:

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Notice the bottom parts of the circles are "sawn off". Similarly at near focus, the top parts get snipped:

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It's similar but not so bad at f/1.6, and gone at f/1.8. I think that at f/1.4 and f/1.6 the exit pupil is larger than the mirror chamber --- could this be the cause?

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Mar 10, 2008 16:16 |  #2

Interesting theory. I hope the optics experts chime in here. On the surface, that sounds about right to me, but I'm no optics expert and couldn't definitively comment.


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Mar 10, 2008 17:18 as a reply to  @ Mark_Cohran's post |  #3

It appears to me there is somthing in front of the lens that is not in focus and we cannot see that is causing the cutting off of the light.

I will experiment with mine and see if I can repro the problem.




  
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Mar 10, 2008 20:21 |  #4

Interesting...do you have any other pics that do this?




  
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Mar 10, 2008 20:25 |  #5

It happens a lot on fast lenses with point-source OOF highlights. I dunno why, but have seen it from the 50's, 35 and 85.




  
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Mar 11, 2008 01:45 |  #6

jra wrote in post #5089383 (external link)
Interesting...do you have any other pics that do this?

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Mar 11, 2008 02:05 |  #7

I never noticed that...here is a 100% crop of the bokeh...


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Mar 22, 2008 08:46 |  #8

Yes, it has to be an interaction between the lens and the cropped box. This was taken with the same lens at f/1.4 on a 35mm film camera:

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Mar 22, 2008 09:43 |  #9

When you ordered this lens, did you use the name David or Don? It is the letter D you see in the highlights. Custom made for your initials. They hate it when William orders one.


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Mar 22, 2008 10:35 as a reply to  @ gasrocks's post |  #10

The further that the OOF highlights are from the center of the lens, the less round they will be. It has to do with the shape of the aperture blades. It happens with any lens.

from Bob Atkins (http://www.bobatkins.c​om …aphy/technical/​bokeh.html (external link))

This is due to how the aperture looks to oblique light rays and the shape is caused by the same factors that result in vignetting in the corners of an image when a lens is used wide open.

Here is one that confirms the OPs thoughts (http://www.vanwalree.c​om/optics/bokeh.html (external link))

Fig. 3 is an additional illustration of the cat's eye effect. The picture was taken with an unusually large-aperture lens of F/1.2. In this photograph the highlights are clipped in a curious fashion. The cause of the clipping is, however, not due to the lens, but to the camera. Indeed, the mirror chamber of the SLR that Mike used is too small to support the speed of the lens. The light cone that emerges from the lens exit pupil is clipped by the camera before it reaches the sensor.

It seems that the oblique (non-round) shape is caused by the lens, while the "chopping" is caused by the mirror box.


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Mar 22, 2008 11:20 |  #11

wow, interesting read. I never noticed that in my shots. great investigative work guys ;)



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Mar 22, 2008 13:05 |  #12

Never to old to learn something new!
Thnx for that link!


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Mar 22, 2008 13:17 |  #13

bacchanal wrote in post #5167097 (external link)
The further that the OOF highlights are from the center of the lens, the less round they will be. It has to do with the shape of the aperture blades. It happens with any lens.

from Bob Atkins (http://www.bobatkins.c​om …aphy/technical/​bokeh.html (external link))

Here is one that confirms the OPs thoughts (http://www.vanwalree.c​om/optics/bokeh.html (external link))

It seems that the oblique (non-round) shape is caused by the lens, while the "chopping" is caused by the mirror box.

The 50 1.4 and 85 L do it even on the 5D.




  
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