Another D3 Review misses important points!

sure you do ben :P j/k

at the end of the day the best photographer in the world will take a better photo with a 300D and kit lens than a keen enthusiast with a 1D/sMarkIII and the best L series lenses or equivilant Nikon Gear.

Permagrin wrote in post #5149357
part of an informed opinion though is comparison shopping...and if you are familiar with other brands then you aren't ignorant of you own cameras value IRL. A piece of gear stands or falls on it's abilities in comparison to what other comparable pieces of gear offer.

I agree, but this is not the place to find reliable information on other brands.

pknight wrote in post #5149329
What is the purpose of a brand-specific forum? To get info on items from that brand, perhaps? That's why I come here. I don't come here expecting to see the bandwidth/HDD space chewed up with debates about other brands. This is not where I would come to learn about other brands. This is not where I would expect to find people knowledgeable about other brands. I come here expecting to find people with experience, knowledge, and (mostly) opinion about Canon products.

Amen to that!

To all of the pro-Nikon posters whining about how badly treated you are on here (boo-hoo! We're so hard on you!) - that's why.

It's easily fixed - Nikoncafe and Nikonians are both free to join and you might find a more receptive audience for your interminable outpourings of Nikon fanboyist enthusiasm...

Keith R wrote in post #5150953
Amen to that!

To all of the pro-Nikon posters whining about how badly treated you are on here (boo-hoo! We're so hard on you!) - that's why.

It's easily fixed - Nikoncafe and Nikonians are both free to join and you might find a more receptive audience for your interminable outpourings of Nikon fanboyist enthusiasm...

what some narrow minded think is unfortunately turning this place into another dpreview hostile environment. Several of us just come here for the friendliness of the forum. And we happen to own canon gear. We haven't given our first blood oath to a brand...it's ridiculous to be rude to people over a brand preference Our goal should be to encourage one another in whatever form we choose to progress as photographers.

blonde wrote in post #5148977
AMEN!!!

i disagree, myself and a few other members have been called names and attacked many times just because we dared to say that Nikon is doing something better than Canon. since the release of the D3 and D300, i have reached the conclusion that Canon users are just as crazy as the Nikon users and btw, in all the recent 1DmkIII threads that i have seen, it is always Canon users who try to bash the D3 even though it has nothing to do with the discussion on hand. for proof, just do a search for Drisley posts and you will see what i mean..

You were not kicked out by the moderator, were you?

I have seen people kicked out of Nikon forums for saying Canon made better cameras by the moderator. That was before D3 and D300. I can only think it is worse now since D3 made significant progress over D2.

As 1D Mk III users bashing D3, it is still not as bad as D3 users bashing 1D Mk III users. To D3 users, it is a perfect camera. But to 1D Mk III users, many have stated 1D Mk III has problems. In other words, on the average (not just looking at a few users), Canon users are more objective.

Keith R wrote in post #5150953
Amen to that!

To all of the pro-Nikon posters whining about how badly treated you are on here (boo-hoo! We're so hard on you!) - that's why.

It's easily fixed - Nikoncafe and Nikonians are both free to join and you might find a more receptive audience for your interminable outpourings of Nikon fanboyist enthusiasm...

hahaha, thanks for proving my point ( i like that btw, calling a person that owns 4 canon cameras a Nikon fanboy)

Permagrin wrote in post #5151017
what some narrow minded think is unfortunately turning this place into another dpreview hostile environment. Several of us just come here for the friendliness of the forum. And we happen to own canon gear. We haven't given our first blood oath to a brand...it's ridiculous to be rude to people over a brand preference Our goal should be to encourage one another in whatever form we choose to progress as photographers.

thanks for saying that Lisa but i have a feeling that we are fighting a losing battle here..

pieq314 wrote in post #5151157
You were not kicked out by the moderator, were you?

I have seen people kicked out of Nikon forums for saying Canon made better cameras by the moderator. That was before D3 and D300. I can only think it is worse now since D3 made significant progress over D2.

As 1D Mk III users bashing D3, it is still not as bad as D3 users bashing 1D Mk III users. To D3 users, it is a perfect camera. But to 1D Mk III users, many have stated 1D Mk III has problems. In other words, on the average (not just looking at a few users), Canon users are more objective.

no i was not kicked out (obviously) and notice how i never said that nikon users or forums are any better. i am quite familiar with the attitude of some of the Nikon forums toward Canon users and that is quite a shame. i still don't agree with you on the last point and all you have to do is look at Keith R's post above to see what i mean.

i guess it is just part of brand dedicated forums..

blonde wrote in post #5151300
no i was not kicked out (obviously) and notice how i never said that nikon users or forums are any better. i am quite familiar with the attitude of some of the Nikon forums toward Canon users and that is quite a shame. i still don't agree with you on the last point and all you have to do is look at Keith R's post above to see what i mean.

i guess it is just part of brand dedicated forums..

You yourself is a Canon user, saying Nikon is better, in a Canon forum. So you are providing me an example to support my last point.

i NEVER said that Nikon is better just for the record. also, look how many 1DmkIII users will fly off the handle the second you mention the D3....

and again, if it was up to some members here (like Mr. Keith), people like me would have been banned a long time ago. lucky for me, the mods on this forum are very cool people..

Who gives a crap if a certain Nikon is better than Canon or the other way around? I truly don't get what the big deal is. I race and wrench on motorcycle roadrace bikes and even though I may ride a certain brand I can respect that another brand might be better. Just like with photography, if you can't use the equipment it doesn't make a difference how good it is.

I obviously think that Canon offers a better overall system but that doesn't mean that I don't think that the D300 and the D3 are pretty damn good cameras.

sorta off topic but in that article, is it just me or that lowlight sample of Cart Blanch is HORRIBLY shot? over exposed. soft focus... major noise reduction... i'm sure the d3 can do better.. but thats just such a crappy shot for an example in a review

datadump wrote in post #5151656
sorta off topic but in that article, is it just me or that lowlight sample of Cart Blanch is HORRIBLY shot? over exposed. soft focus... major noise reduction... i'm sure the d3 can do better.. but thats just such a crappy shot for an example in a review

Picture is a bit small to tell. Could be jpeg compression artifacts. He could easily avoid 6400 iso with a faster lens. f/4.5 hurts a lot!

The D3 has shaken up the DSLR world, and unfortunately some Canon users can't handle it, performing the online equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears and saying, "La, la, la, I can't hear you, la, la, la." This is why you should never hitch your emotional wagon to a specific brand--one day it'll misstep and be overtaken, and where does that leave you?

Shoot, if I had the money I'd keep my Canon gear (because I believe they'll be top of the table next go-around, plus I can't part with my 35 f/1.4 and 85 f/1.2) and get a D3 for its industry-leading noise performance (not to mention the killer 14-24 f/2.8 they recently came out with), a Pentax K20D to use their pancake lenses with, and an Oly E-3 just out of curiosity. Just because many of us are deeply entrenched in Canon equipment shouldn't mean we can't see the good aspects of other manufacturers.

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #5151872
...Just because many of us are deeply entrenched in Canon equipment shouldn't mean we can't see the good aspects of other manufacturers.

well said

blonde wrote in post #5151530
i NEVER said that Nikon is better just for the record. also, look how many 1DmkIII users will fly off the handle the second you mention the D3....

Those were not your exact words, but my point is: it is safe here to say good things about Nikon.

Again, I am talking about the average Canon users vs. average Nikon users. You can also take a look at the posts just before this one to see how safe it is to say good things about Nikon. And again, remember, you yourself is a good example for my point.

This thread is really annoying. I am absolutely sick to death of people grousing about how unfairly they've been treated here. At least you're allowed to be here. Ask Ed Malone how fairly the Nikonians dealt wiht him when he tried to join as a Canon User.

For the record...

Everyone is expected to regard everyone else here with absolute respect and courtesy. You can disagree with each other, but do it fairly, and in a dignified manner. If you can't respect the forum's owners wishes in this regard, you're likely to have problems.

For the Nikon users:
You are welcome here, and your preference in brands is noted. You are absolutely encouraged to participate in the forum. We make no exclusions based on camera brand, and only ask the you respect that this is a Canon forum. Keep your remarks relevant, and don't be a zealot. This is the wrong venue for Nikon evangelism.

For the Canon users:
Get a a grip. Camera technology is a game of leapfrog, and sometimes the other guy is going to be in front. Nikon users seem to have the latest and greatest right now, if not in fact, at least arguably. That will change, again, and again.

To everyone:
We are all photographers. We are united by a common interest far more than we are divided by brand loyalty. If you can't have a civil conversation on the subject without reducing yourselves to partisan bickering, then you shouldn't be participating in these discussions.

Either keep it on a reasonably sensible level, or take it somewhere else. Go find a lovely religious discussion somewhere and take all the cheap shots you want.

I suspect I'm going to make myself very unpopular around here, but starting right now, any post that I feel isnt relevant to the discussion will be either edited as necessary, or removed altogether.

I see a lot of the same players in this discussion who completely trashed some of the earlier Mk III threads, and you already have at least one strike against you.

Now grow up.