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What is Bokeh?

 
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Mar 31, 2008 23:01 as a reply to  @ post 5234658 |  #16

I would suggest some reading (not a bad way to learn); the following are by knowledgeable photographers (don't rely on my experience:D).

One thing you must watch is not to confuse depth of field with bokeh as many of us have done.

http://www.rickdenney.​com/bokeh_test.htm (external link)

http://www.bobatkins.c​om …aphy/technical/​bokeh.html (external link)

After you've read them carefully, I'm sure you will have a much better grasp of the topic - it surely helped me.


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Mar 31, 2008 23:48 as a reply to  @ post 5234623 |  #17

Bokeh is from the Japanese word for out of focus. The Japanese word = Boke -- the is h added so English speakers pronounce it right. It refers to having your subject in focus while the background is out of focus and is usually done by using a wide aperture to create a shallow depth of field. The Wikipedia article on it is pretty good:

http://en.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/Bokeh (external link)

The previous poster is right in saying that it's more about the quality of the deliberate blur in the background. It's usually used when the background, if it were in focus, would be distracting to your foreground subject.


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Apr 01, 2008 10:46 as a reply to  @ post 5234623 |  #18

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Apr 02, 2008 03:38 as a reply to  @ post 5234623 |  #19

If you want a technical description with graphics (not just pictures) to explain the whole thing, then you may consider checking out my website:

http://bokehtests.com/​Site/About_Bokeh.html (external link)

I think it may clarify things a bit, even if it is a bit long winded.

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Apr 02, 2008 10:41 |  #20

kshuler wrote in post #5243550 (external link)
I would add one more link for a more technical description with diagrams that should make it very easily understandable:

http://bokehtests.com/​Site/About_Bokeh.html (external link)

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On the whole, it's an interesting and informative article, but I have a bit of a problem with one statement in this reference:

"Quantity of Bokeh (depth of field)"

This tends to be misleading as some could interpret this as meaning that bokeh and DOF are the same thing - and there has been some confusion lately on this matter (see other threads on bokeh).

Bokeh relates to the quality of the OOF elements in an image, DOF relates to the amount of OOF in an image.

This author while attempting to define and describe bokeh makes the following statement, "You may have your own idea of what good bokeh is, but this site will be evaluating lenses based on MY opinions."

I won't take issue with this because he is being honest, but it does illustrate that bokeh is subjective and not quantifiable.


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Apr 02, 2008 13:01 as a reply to  @ post 5211481 |  #21

Thanks for the comment Glenn NK. You are, of course, correct that bokeh is related to the quality of a blur and DOF to the quantity of oof, but in truth they are very closely related. Depth of field is determined by how narrow or wide a cone of light coming from an object is after it passes through the aperture (among other things). The image will be considered sharp in all areas in which the circle of confusion is less than, say 0.02-0.035 mm, depending on how tight your tolerances are. Outside of this and we get a blur, and the circle of confusion diameter at a particular distance shows how much blurring there will be at this distance. If my premise is correct, that how a lens affects the bokeh (quality of blur) of an image relates to qualities of the out of focus circle from a point of light, then it has to be understood that this is very much affected by depth of field. In other words, the circle of confusion gets bigger with a shallower depth of field, all else being held constant. The character of the oof circle of confusion may also vary at different distances from perfect focus, and this also affects the image.

As you pointed out on your post, I am trying to keep as honest as I can and say it is opinion when it is. As bokeh is a subjective property of images, it cannot be measured, and even people might disagree on what makes a lens better at rendering bokeh than another lens. This is why I focused so much on the science behind the way a lens affects bokeh (note, I am being very careful NOT to call it bokeh itself, only lens parameters which afect the out of focus area), which should be a lot less subjective. Some people may prefer mirror lenses with their little circles. I am only speaking for myself, that I prefer nice smooth, non-edged lines and more blur rather than less blur, no sharp line interactions between specular highlights I am willing to bet, however, that many, if not most, other people would also prefer this kind of bokeh to more harshly rendered bokeh.

My central premise with the article, however, doesn't have to do with images, but rather how a LENS will affect the bokeh of an IMAGE. And I think that is a LOT less complex than factoring in the background elements etc. Afterall, the light path through the lens is the same no matter how bright an object is, a lens doesn't care how much contrast is in a scene, a lens doesn't change what it does based on the scene. A lens does what it does unaffected by background- same light path, lenses don't bend when they see something really bright or a low contrast scene. Therefore, we can measure how a lens will affect an out of focus point of light and infer from this what it will do to an image. As an example, look at the last 3 large pctures in the "about bokeh" section:

http://bokehtests.com/​Site/About_Bokeh.html (external link)

They show the same image made up from different shaped OOF circles of confusion. This IS how a lens makes an image-- every single point of light of an object the camera sees is actually imaged as a little blur circle. When in focus the circle is really small, but not when out of focus. In the example, I made the blur circle equal to 20% of the lens diameter for 3 different blur circles. You can see that all three blurred images are distinctly different, and not only where specular highlights, and the only difference is the shape of the circles they were built from. Anyone that doubts this-- please feel free to get a copy of photoshop and do the same experiment yourself. I think the excercise makes it pretty clear that the shape of the circle of confusion makes a huge effect on the bokeh of the image. And what's more, this is a property of the LENS, that will be INDEPENDENT of the image used. Some lenses will tend to blur backgrounds smoothly, others not. And if you read the beginning part of the link, you would see the contribution of spherical aberration. Indeed, if you have ever seen or read about the Nikkon DC lenses, all they do is manipulate spherical aberration, and images with them (look online) at different settings exactly reproduce my little diagrams of uncorrected or overcorrected spherical aberration, both for front and back bokeh. And of course, they are noted for having excellent bokeh by most people when used correctly.

So, while it is subjective what looks nice in a background for a particular image, I would contend that the way a lens affects this background is at least measurable, and MOST people would agree that the smoother rendering will usually be more pleasing (unless you are going for some kind of special effect). Subjectivity is an interesting concept. If we think of the taste of two brown substances, well, chocolate may not be objectively measurably better tasting than poop, but I would be willing to be you won't find too many takers of the poop if offered the choice of both. At least not on the planet earth.

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Apr 02, 2008 13:03 as a reply to  @ post 5211481 |  #22

THe beauty of the out of focus area of an IMAGE is very subjective. The way a lens AFFECTS the bokeh of an image is OBJECTIVE and MEASURABLE, I would say.

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Apr 02, 2008 13:05 as a reply to  @ post 5211481 |  #23

You can't quantify bokeh. You CAN quantify the way a lens AFFECTS bokeh.

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Apr 02, 2008 13:10 as a reply to  @ kshuler's post |  #24

Bokeh in Japanese simply means "blur", or something that isn't clear. It doesn't imply quality.

Not to say that's how it is used in a Photography context...it does tend to imply quality.




  
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Apr 02, 2008 13:24 |  #25

Sure wish a mod would combine all these "bokeh" threads. :)


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Apr 02, 2008 13:29 as a reply to  @ post 5211481 |  #26

True- Boke means blur in Japanese. Boke-aji (ボケ味), however, the term actually used in Japan, means the flavor of the blur. We have hijacked it and added an h so we wouldn't pronounce it like "broke."

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Apr 02, 2008 13:35 as a reply to  @ nicksan's post |  #27

Can probably show you better than explain it to you.


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Apr 02, 2008 13:36 |  #28

mikeb540 wrote in post #5227883 (external link)
isnt this why we use depth of field... i get it now, it just seems were trying to come up with another term for depth of field... thanks for explaining.. now i dont have to say what the heck every time i see the word used here..
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Mike - not exactly. As ably described by others in this thread, bokeh is not DOF.

While it may not be possible to quantify bokeh (any more than it is possible to quantify image quality), it is possible to design and build a lens that will have subjectively "better" bokeh than another, or at least a bokeh that most people would judge to be better.

The bokeh I get with my Sigma 120-300 f/2.8 at 300mm is markedly different than what I get with a Canon 300 f/2.8L, yet the DOF is identical for both lenses at the same distance to subject and the same shooting situation.


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Apr 02, 2008 13:48 as a reply to  @ post 5211481 |  #29

How is Bokeh pronounced? Bo-kuh ?

edit: nevermind...found the other threads !!


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Apr 02, 2008 15:45 |  #30

All this talk about what makes "Good Bokeh" has failed to mention the effect of the content of the background.
If you have a continuous tone graduation in the background, it's much easier to get "Good Bokeh".
Specular highlights and sharp differences in contrast are much harder to achieve the creaminess related to "Good Bokeh".


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