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Mar 25, 2008 12:37 |  #1

I have recently gone FF from 30D, and while I find my 24-70L wide enough, now 70mm is not long enough. I shoot primarily my family, our active 2yr old son running around.

I know I will get a 70-200 2.8 IS first. This lens has been described to be somewhat legendary, especially for a FF body. I think it will serve me well as my walk-around lens, as well as for indoor portrait. That's $1600 (after $100 off w/WPPI code @B&H). That leaves me $1050.

Now, I used to have a 70-300mm IS, which I was pretty happy with its reach on my old 30D (480mm equiv). I didn't use my telephoto "a lot", but only occassionally when going to sport events, and going somewhere w/lots of animals and flowers. So, with $1050 left, I am tempted to get something to go beyond 200mm.

My first thought was getting the 1.4x extender. That gets 70-200 2.8 to 98-280... close to 300, but nowhere near what I had before (480mm). However still not a bad option for $280.

Then I thought of 100-400mm f/4-5.6 L... although 400mm is nice, given that I already have 70-200 covered, it feels redundant. Also, it's an old design that may be due for a refresh, and the pumping dust "issue" just isn't so appetizing (personally!).

Then I started looking at the telphoto primes. 300mm f/4 IS looks good, and so does 400mm f/5.6. I would probably pick the 300mm f/4 IS, cuz of its IS and may be I will be okay with 300mm. But then, if I could have 280mm f/4 at fraction of the price (w/1.4x extender), not sure if 300mm f/4 IS makes any more sense. $1150 looks kinda expensive... plus these aren't weather sealed. Thus, 70-200 2.8 w/1.4x still wins, so far.

Then I started looking at Sigma/Tokina/Tamron telezoom alternatives. They seem "okay", but compared to Canon 100-400mm, the sharpness just isn't there. I want my tele to have at least 100-400mm sharp.

So I guess we're back to 70-200 2.8 w/1.4 extender. If I waited until April (sometime), Canon may offer enough rebates on both 70-200 and 300 f/4 (double rebates?), and I may be able to save $500... only then it seems justifiable for me to grab a 300mm, instead of 1.4 extender.

I know I'm rambling a little here - I would appreciate any other ideas and suggestions! Thanks.

(btw my 1DsMk2 can autofocus at f/8, so I could probably even live with - in theory - a f/4 lens w/2x teleconverter, provided again sharpness matches 100-400!)


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Mar 25, 2008 12:40 |  #2

I'd wait a bit on the telephoto for a zoom and see how the new Sigma 150-500 OS performs. If it's near the 100-400 in optical quality, you'll get 500mm and OS on top of that.


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Mar 25, 2008 12:42 as a reply to  @ Jman13's post |  #3

sigma 120-300 2.8 :)


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Mar 25, 2008 12:43 |  #4

Whew, a lot to read. I agree with Jman13.


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Mar 25, 2008 12:45 |  #5

That Sigma is very interesting indeed, and a new option.

FWIW, my 100-400 doesn't pump dust.

I also have a 70-200; they don't 'overlap' because the 100-400 is an outdoor, good-light-only lens.

A 1.4X TC is ok on the 70-200, but just ok.


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Mar 25, 2008 13:56 |  #6

Wait for the new Sigmas or get a 400 5.6L.


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Mar 25, 2008 14:27 |  #7

I've debated the same tele questions, and I think I'm going to get a 100-400 instead of adding a tele to my 70-200...quite a few people said that the 100-400 would be sharper than a 300 f/4 prime + 1.4x tele, and since the 300 is already a sharp lens, I'm guessing the 1.4x tele + 70-200 wouldn't yield the best IQ at 280mm, since 200 is already the "weak" (wide open) end of the 70-200 f/2.8 IS. That said, its not terrible, but if I want to use the tele end I want the best IQ I can get...I might wait to see what Sigma brings to the table.


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Mar 25, 2008 15:18 as a reply to  @ Sfordphoto's post |  #8

Thanks everyone, for your input so far.

I am leaning toward a zoom lens at this point, for this reason: quite simply put, I don't know if I'll be able to reliably use a long fixed focal length. It would be more useful for me, to be able to pan-out and frame the shot, instead being too close to the subject at the right moment. If I were into birding, that would be another thing, but I am not.

I have been digging through some image samples on Google Images, for 70-200mm 2.8 IS + 2x extender combo. While I hear the images are "softer", it looks pretty good to me. It does not seem as sharp as 100-400mm at 400mm, but that may be the compromise I have to live with.

I think Sigma 150-500 OS is a very interesting option, being priced below $1000. It's due out April 10th (according to Amazon; they're taking pre-orders). I will let someone else buy the lens, write up reviews and post sample photos before I commit to that. For the month of April, I think I'll be more than happy to be playing with my new 70-200 2.8 IS.

I do already have a cheap 2x teleconverter, by Pro Optic. I got this a few months back, but it never got very practical as my old 30D wouldn't auto-focus on 70-300 f/5.6. I will try it on again with 70-200 2.8. This extender was actually highly praised by some, so who knows - may be I'll end up just sticking with that. (ah just remembered; no weather sealing)

We'll see if I'll end up going 2x extender or the Son of Bigma. Thanks again for your input.


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Mar 25, 2008 16:52 |  #9

What's interesting is that when you have a fixed focal length in your hand, you shoot differently, and you get different results.

It is refreshing, actually.

Consider renting a couple, check it out.


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Mar 25, 2008 16:55 |  #10

hortonsl62 wrote in post #5189841 (external link)
What's interesting is that when you have a fixed focal length in your hand, you shoot differently, and you get different results.

It is refreshing, actually.

Consider renting a couple, check it out.

Primes FTW! :D

I haven't touched a zoom lens for a long time. They're just icky, slow, and expensive. Primes = faster, sharper, generally cheaper, more fun.

Think about it. For the price of a 24-105 IS L, you can get a 28 1.8, 50 1.4, and 85 1.8.

But [to prevent certain people from heckling me :p] whatever suits you.


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Mar 25, 2008 17:56 |  #11

I am leaning towards the 300 f4 IS myself.


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Mar 25, 2008 18:09 |  #12

Get a 70-200 2.8 IS now, then save up for a 300 2.8 IS!


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Mar 25, 2008 18:44 |  #13

I'm running the 70-200/2.8 IS and the 300/4 with a 1.4X TC on FF. It works well for me. I get top shelf AF speed and IQ from 70-200 and at 300. I can get to 420 with very good IQ and AF speed when I need to.

If I knew I was really going to be shooting 400 a lot I would get the 400/5.6, but since I don't the 300/4 is more flexible and better performing for me.


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Mar 25, 2008 18:45 as a reply to  @ JeffreyG's post |  #14

what about this
Sigma 300 f2.8 heard its an amazing piece of glass..Only $1500
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